telophase: (Near - que?)
So, when you were a kid and in school, if your school taught the Four Basic Food Groups (Meat, Dairy, Veg, Grains, or something like that), into which group did eggs fall?

I was taught eggs went into the Meat category (which was basically Protein, and they sort-of handwaved beans). I have more than once run into people who were taught eggs were Dairy. For no reason I can figure. I once, in seventh grade, got into an argument with a girl who lived near my grandparents' house over this very subject: she did not respond well to my clearly correct argument that Dairy came from cows, so eggs weren't Dairy.

Nowadays, I point out that if it didn't start out with lactose, it's not dairy, but I did have a husband who shall remain unidentified once offer me Lactaid with eggs, as he was reverting back to his primary-school programming that eggs went into the dairy category.

Hey, he made me the eggs! I am not complaining!
telophase: (Librarian - trust me)
Just a random thought stemming from discussions elsewhere, when I mentioned that there's a lot of librarian-type people on my LJ: who of you are librarians? (Or library techs, or MLIS students, etc.)
telophase: (Near - que?)
I asked a question at the end of my phone post yesterday, but as I'd started the phone post with warnings about spoilers for the book I was reviewing, I figure maybe the resounding lack of any sort of response whatsoever might have something to do with people getting scared off. (And, actually, it turns out the spoilers weren't so spoilery. :D)

So here's a cut-and-paste of the question from the transcripts:
Leading on from that, on my drive home which I'm still on, hence the phone post instead of a text post or anything like that, I was listening to my skeptic podcasts and I'm wondering if there are any detective novels starring skeptics. Not skeptics like the proper sketicas all detectives ought to be, but like in the modern skeptical movement. You see a little bit of it in the TV show "The Mentalist". House is a bit of a skeptic, that kind of thing. If anyone knows, let me know. Thanks.”
telophase: (Near - que?)
A friend of mine asked a couple of theoretical questions about quoting from a microblogging site such as Twitter, and these are my thoughts on the matter. Which are extremly subject to change. Anyone with thoughts, feel free to jump in.

How does one properly attribute quotes taken from Twitter when quoting someone?

Well ... to start with, the purpose of citations is to allow others to look up the source. So at a minimum, you'd want the URL and, since this form of electronic data can change rapidly, the date on which you accessed it. For published articles archived online, the date retrieved is less important, since theoretically it won't be rewritten and posted back to the archive. Websites that might change are another matter entirely - like Twitter constantly adding new material at the top of the page - so you'd want to list the date you retrieved the content (ETA: Oops, they have permalinks! Discussed more below.). In order to be able to find the particular tweet, you'd want the date on which the tweet was posted, and since Twitter allows for multiple posts per day, I'd say adding the time. The name would be the name the person posted under.

So let's see what we can build from this tweet I posted a couple of days ago:

"@puppleball Have fun!"
name: telophase
date and time: 5:41 PM Jun 16th 2009
date and time accessed: June 18 2009, 11:47 AM CST

This is, however, made complicated by the fact that I changed my time zone to Tehran's in a minor show of solidarity, and I might change it back at some point. It will take someone better than I to work out the implications of that, especially since Twitter doesn't list the time zone of the time on the tweet as far as I know.

The citation format itself will, of course, be different depending on what style guide you're using. APA style says when quoting in text to direct the reader to the paragraph for a document that doesn't have page numbers, like so: (Beutler, 2000, Conclusion section, para. 1)

So for a tweet, perhaps: "Telophase tweeted 'Have fun!' in response to a tweet by puppleball (Telophase, 5:41 PM Jun 16 2009)."

And on the Works Cited page, which I am mostly making up because I don't have access to the full APA Electronic Content Style Guide, just this page to work it out with:

Telophase (2009*), Telophase Fines on Twitter**,, retrieved June 18 2009.

ETA: Pointed out by [personal profile] kate_nepveu on DW, there are permalinks for the tweets, so I'll revise that to:
Telophase (2009*), Telophase Fines on Twitter**,
or even
Telophase (2009),
Removing the retrieval date, as THEORETICALLY it shouldn't change because you can't edit tweets. But a blog post I'd probably put the retrieval date in, as they can easily be edited, as this one has been edited multiple times, for example. :D

* Assuming you treat my full Twitter feed as one document, and my tweet as one quote from that document, you don't put the time and date in the Works Cited page, but in the citation in the text.

** Page title in the upper browser bar. An argument could be made for just "telophase," as that's the headline on the page. And my author name might be cited as "telophase" instead of Telophase. I don't THINK there's an accepted protocol for listing a pseudonym along with a real name, but I could be wrong about that, in which case it might be 'Lastname, First Initial/Name (writing as Telophase)", "Telophase (Lastname, First Initial/Name)" or something like that. (I'd go upstairs and look up how to cite Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens, but that would mean getting off my nice, comfy chair, so I'll leave that to commenters.)

And because individual tweets are so short, would they still be quotes or, since you're almost certainly going to be quoting the full 140 characters, would it be a reprint?

As I said above, I'd treat most tweets as quotes from an ongoing, active document, which is the Twitter feed. Where it gets murky is Twitter zines like Thaumatrope, where the 140-character quote *is* the entire work. In those cases, I'd limit myself to quoting 10-15% (although that would be only one or two words in most cases), or seek permission to quote/republish.* OTOH, there's at least one ongoing story on Thaumatrope, where the narrator is tweeting from a postapocalyptic land, in which case the story might be considered to be the sum total of all the tweets, so quoting one in full would not require permission. But the others are full stories contained within 140 characters.

O the modern world!

* [personal profile] octopedingenue! Since you received $1.25 for your Twitter story, what do you think would be a fair reprint fee? XD

There's a discussion of how to cite blog comments here that might be of interest.
telophase: (Near - que?)
While I am waiting for people to get me information so I can do what they asked me to, here's a question that I may or may not have asked before, but can't remember; sort of a version of [ profile] rachelmanija's Cool Bits post: what things/characters/plots/settings/etc. will incline you to read a book? What has the opposite effect on you: what do you dislike so much that it takes many enthusiastic recommendations from people whose opinions you trust to get you to read it?

For me, likes/cool bits: girls disguised as boys, arranged marriages (especially when the female part of the match isn't a spunky princess who runs away to avoid it), gruff, cranky male characters with a secret heart of gold or at least not completely dark (er, see most my male anime faves Hiei Kenpachi Sanzo Manji I AM LOOKING AT YOU :D).

Dislikes: Dragons. I am so allergic to them that it takes multiple recs for me to pick something up with a dragon in it or on the cover. Naomi Novik's books are one - it took me forever to pick them up. Same with Alison Goodman's Eon: Dragoneye Reborn. Elves. Political scheming. Save The World.

There's lots more, but I'd rather sit back and read all your comments, as I am barely awake right now.
telophase: (Near - que?)
So. Is there something inherent about the act of drying your hands with a paper towel that requires you to stand directly in front of the paper-towel dispenser while doing so, even when there is someone else standing nearby with dripping hands, waiting for a paper towel?
telophase: (Near - que?)
Over at Twenty Sided, Shamus is wondering if you'd be dead or alive if you were in medieval Europe. (It's also been posted in a few other places, so you might have seen it around the Net today.)

I think he's a bit pessimistic on the age of marriage - it depends on a number of factors, including urban or rural location, wars, etc. - but that's beside the point: in order to entertain me, tell me: would you have survived the Middle Ages in Europe or an equivalent economy/technology level where you would have been? Assume that your health history up to now is more-or-less the same - car accidents being some sort of equivalent accident, etc. - so you didn't die in a plague unless you were, say, me and had MALARIA as a child. :)

I'm really on the edge, but provisionally leaning towards dead. I had the aforementioned malaria at 5, but it was a light case and we knocked it out thoroughly enough that I never had relapses. Which I doubt would have been the case back then (malaria was known in medieval Europe). People can survive malaria for many years, but I think something like the severe malnutrition caused by lactose intolerance in a dairy-based economy would have done me in during a relapse in my early 20s. As I'm in my mid-30s, single, without kids, and working in an academic milieu I assume my medieval self entered the Church at a young age and I resided in an abbey until I died. But that brings up another point: if it was a well-off abbey, I'd have had better nutrition and medical care, so might have survived, if they could figure out that it was milk doing me in.

Off to lunch! I'll read when I come back. :)

Train Man

Nov. 16th, 2006 03:41 pm
telophase: (Near - que?)
OK, for the few of you who live under a rock and have no idea what Train Man is, read this paragraph. The rest of you can go on to the next paragraph. There's this media phenomenon in Japan around "Train Man." Train Man is a 22-year-old (in 2004) otaku who was very shy around girls. One day on a train, he stood up to a drunk who was harassing women, and after the whole incident was over with immediately rushed home to tell his story on Livejournal the 2chan BBS. When she sent him a thank-you gift, he reported that to 2chan asking for help and that touched off a long thread of advice over time for him on how to approach, talk to, and in general interact with this girl. The media got hold of this, and the story has turned into a book, manga, movie, stage play, and a TV series. Exactly how real this is ... well, no one knows for sure. The TV producers have contacted the original Densha Otoko and swear to the truth, but there's no telling how much of it has become elaborated.

Two of the four (!) manga spinning off from the movie, TV show, stage play, and general media buzz have just been published here - a shounen version by Viz (Train_Man: Densha Otoko) and a shoujo version by Del Rey (Train Man: A Shojo Story). CMX has apparently licensed a third one, but I don't know when it's going to be published, and I just have the Viz and Del Rey versions. Anyway, I thought this might be a nifty way to look at the different ways of telling a story. Of course, now I have a problem: which to read first? I've read enough of the first parts of each to know that they're both heavily pulling from the book that's said to contain the original 2chan message thread. I also know that I have a tendency to imprint on the first version of a story I read and assume it's the better version.

So ... I turn to teh_intarwebs!

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