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These are the answers to the poll here about manga vs. manhwa vs. manhua etc. I'd advise not looking at them until you answer the poll. otherwise it'll mess up the results. :D

Number 1:

- Chinese - Ardour by Wu Rou Xuan. Image via

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Number 2:

- Japanese - Baku by MIZUKI Hakase. Image via

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Number 3:

- Korean - Beat by Lee Young Hee. Image via

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Number 4:

- Korean - Ciel by Rhim Ju-Yeon. Image via

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Number 5:

- Chinese - Clair de Lune by Fanny Shen. Image via

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Number 6:

- Korean - Comic by Ha, Shi Hyun. Image via

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Number 7:

- Chinese - Comic Dream by Huei-Yuan Chen. Image via

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Number 8:

- Japanese - Darling I Love You by MAMAHARA Ellie & IOKA Noeru. Image via

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Number 9:

- Korean - I Wish by Hyun Ju Suh. Image via

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Number 10:

- Japanese - Mainichi Seiten! by SUGANO Akira (artist), NINOMIYA Etsumi (author). Image via

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Number 11:

- Japanese - Penguin Revolution by TSUKUBA Sakura. Image via

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Number 12:

- French - Pink Diary by Jenny. Image via

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Number 13:

- Korean - Queen's Knight by Kim Kang Won. Image via

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Number 14:

- Chinese - Ravages of Time by Chan Mou. Image via

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Number 15:

- Japanese - The Story of Beijing Opera by Ueda Hiroshi. Image via

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Number 16:

- Japanese - Tokyo Renaikitan by Saekurako Gokurakuin. Image via

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Number 17:

- French - Yukiko's Spinach by Frédéric Boilet. Image via

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Number 18:

- Japanese - Vampire Game by Judal. Image via

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Number 19:

- Korean - Vanilla Ice by Kim Woo Hyun. Image via

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Number 20:

- Japanese - Vinland Saga by YUKIMURA Makoto. Image via

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Number 21:

- Thai - Tom Yum Goong by (I couldn't find the artist or author on this one. It's a manga version of the Tony Jaa movie.). Image via

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Number 22: Duh.

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Wow, that was harder than I expected. I had to really avoid cheating by looking at how the balloons were oriented, and you almost got me with Penguin Kakumei and Vinland (I recognized the latter the second time I looked at it, but all those panels totally said "French!" to me. ;-)), and I was confused by the Thai/French/Chinese shonen. I think I picked wrong eventually on Tokyo Renaikitan, which looked Japanese to me, but amateurish (lo and behold! It is. She has gone on to a lucrative career in very porny boys' love), so I was mean and went with Korean.

I have odd feelings about this, though. While I was glad it was as hard as it was for me to pick out the Manhwa, since I admit to being jaded by some of the crap we've had to review from Korea, it's noticeable to me that you have to pick early, odd or obscure works, or only-fair Japanese stuff (Penguin Kakumei) to really make it a challenge. You get some superstars (I recognized Rhim Ju-Yeon right away), and mid-grade artists kind of look similar no matter what country you're from, but it was only when people stepped outside of genre that I got really lost. It shows the difference between a massive mature, 50-year-old industry, and a much smaller, younger one (and if we'd had more than one page, I'm sure there would have been clear storytelling/flow differences--I was already judging use of body language, the Beijing Opera one being the best example of that).

I look forward to seeing what other people thought, though! I've looked at a *lot* of comics in the last few years, so I wonder if the lay person catches the same stuff I do.

I was mostly going for ones that would be obscure to most people who weren't obsessive shoujo scanlation readers. :D I couldn't really use any that had been translated and published over here, so although Antique Gift Shop has what looks to me to be a specific Korean feel, it would be more well-known than something that hadn't.

I'm annoyed that I could only find one Thai one, and no Filipino komiks that weren't Marvel/DC superhero style. (although I did learn that they call them 'komiks', so it was, at least, educational.) Maybe I'll ask

puppleball to bring me some Thai comics when she goes to Thailand later this year.

I was really hoping Beijing Opera would trick people - the clothing is Chinese, which was a bit of a red herring and since I asked for images that contained no clues, a bit tricksy, although I specifically found a page with someone dressed Western-style. :D

I've got a ton more images. Maybe I'll do another poll later.

Most of the manhwa I've read so far has been Tokyopop, actually, so I'm wondering if the traits I think of as 'Korean' are instead a house style from a particular publisher? Something about the style of the eyes, the liquidity of the line, and the solidity of the line - less wispy, and with fewer breaks in it. Although I'm seeing that in Antique Gift Shop, too, which isn't Tpop, and ISTR it being in Thousand and One Nights, which isn't Tpop either.

Snow Drop and Threads of Time (along with the gift shop) have that eyes-and-lines similarity going, I think - I'm at work and can't double-check (and I think I ended up selling Snow Drop to Half-Price Books after I got bored with the story). Demon Diary ... I can't quite recall. I'd have to look at it again.

There aren't as many publishers in Korea as there are in Japan, so we pretty much worked with all of them (until NetComics and IceKunion came along). It could be a house style (I don't know my Korean publishers as well as the Japanese, both because of the language barrier, and lack of time), but I don't think so. I tend to categorize the look as heavier inks, more static panel layouts (generally), fewer backgrounds but also less use of toned fills, eyes are dark and somewhat geometric, and limbs that are even more elongated than your typical manga. You get less of this in historical/shonen-type stuff, although there's still a bit of it there, and there are exceptions to the rule even within the shojo works, but it's pretty standard.

And in case it wasn't clear, for whatever reason, this is *not* a style that seems to resonate with most American readers. With few exceptions (Demon Diary being one), the Korean books sell horribly.

Phooey. I rather like it. But then I notice that I pick up most manga, flip through it, go "Gah. Same-old same-old" at the art and put it back.

[Unknown site tag] and I noticed that some of the Korean manga also tended to have huge hands.

By the way, this is me hoping that Threads of Time sells well enough to make it to the end of the story - the story itself is bogging down, but oh my God I love the art. (I guess that means that if it's discontinued, I could just go buy the Korean volumes and totally not miss the story.)

And, dammit, this has nothing to do with Korean books but is a random cry of want-it-now angst: I want my Qwan 4!

* That would be

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I agree. I'm all for visual variety. There's often crappy writing in the mix as well though (not that manga doesn't suffer from that problem, too, of course), and that tends to be the nail in the coffin.

And just not enough awareness before books hit shelves. Even now, most Japanese series have at least *some* fan awareness, but very few Korean ones do, and so the book has to really go above and beyond to get noticed at all.

Threads of Time is hanging in there. But yeah, Qwan 4! *wants* But go read Suikoden while you wait, or, if you're up for gruesome vampire stories, Bloodsucker: Legend of Zipangu! It's better than the title would lead you to believe.

I happen to love how most Korean manhwa are colored. I tend to love art that has the whole 'vivid light'/'hard light' look.

I also think the styles are great >^_^<

I only own one manhwa "Boy Princess" ("Kiss Me Princess), as a GN. I HATE how the company printed/localized it :( though it does bring back memories of Viz's old flipped manga (which were larger then the 'pocket' gn today...I wish manga wasn't published in 'pocket' size...)

My favorite company is DelRey! I wish more companies published manga in the quality/format as DelRey is putting out "xxxHolic", and DMP put out "G-Senjou no Neko".

I want to get "Tarot Cafe"! :3

and do you work for TokyoPop? You user pic reminds of one of the editor's chibi pics, in the back/suggestions...

I generally love high-contrast stuff, but most Korean shojo really doesn't grab me the way Japanese stuff does, and it's mostly a story thing. And rival publishers being lame and setting the industry back five years in terms of translations and retouching is very not cool.

Tarot Cafe is great, though!

Ah, DelRey. I find them to be hit or miss, personally. When they're good, they're very very good (xxxHolic is a good example), but getting high praise for format/quality when their font use is so incredibly lame? Well... Not that TP isn't inconsistent with stuff, but what and how they choose to translate (and then footnote, or not) is always kind of interesting to me.

But yes, I am in fact the TOKYOPOP editor in the chibi. :-) That's me!

Wow, that was harder than I expected.

I know! I feel like an idiot...I only got a third of them right. *slaps hand* I need to read me some of that Chinese and Thai manga.

I think I only got 3 wrong, but I have a distinct industry advantage. :-)

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o__O I got four wrong. Only one more than a Tokyopop editor..T__T (<--tears of joy XDD)
Erm yeah, I've always been proud of being able to differentiate Korean/Chinese/Japanese styles (omg I sound so egocentric but it's true >w<)...I'm so annoyed though, one of the earlier ones I was on the fence whether it was Chinese or Japanese (I've seen some shoujo manga style similar) and I chose the wrong one! Graag!

Got the French one right...and the Thai but those were purely guesses XD I thought the French examples would look a little 'different' because it's a mix of traditional bands desinee and manga >__<;
Overall I'm quite happy how that turned out...the majority of Manhwua I've found, have very 'boxy' styles across the board and the style tends not to vary; there are usually no curvy lines (except in hair) in a figure...
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I just saw this friendsfriendsing, but what an interesting poll! I looked through all of them on the poll first, though I didn't take it as I had no strong feelings about any of them except #8, which I thought might be Japanese because the style looked very familiar. As it turns out, back when I was reading a lot of Be Boy and other monthly yaoi mags, I read quite a bit of Mamahara Ellie, so that would be why! I also thought maybe the more realistic one (um, #17) was Chinese, as the girl looks very Chinese to me, but was obviously dead wrong there.

My main thought looking at all of these was that they were kind of amateurish. :p But it makes sense, cause obviously picking stuff by really well-known artists would be a bad idea.

The main thing I notice with American manga-style comics is the amateurishness. It never looks quite right. I always put it down to just not enough familiarity with the style. Kids in Japan (and other Asian countries) are raised with that style, but here it's still unfamiliar, and it usually shows. Which is not to say that I don't see a ton of crap manga from Japan, especially from the mags that publish first-time artists, but there's a higher percentage of people who've got a better grip on it (including many amateurs).

Yeah, a lot of them are amateurish - I was trying to use less well-known comics so fewer people would have run across them, so the better, more recognizable ones weren't an option. I've got a ton more scans, though: maybe I'll put up another one with more accomplished ones. (Not like it's a scientific poll anyway. :D)

I think part of the difference with US and Japan in the manga industry is also that the US creators tend to be working alone or with only 1 or 2 more people while the Japanese work in teams, and the teams members may bring more experience to the table, so you have the advantage of both specialization - when someone specializes in drawing backgrounds and does nothing but, they're going to get very good at it more quickly than they would if they had to do layout and pencil the figures - plus experience in having worked on other manga before.

I got 10 right, which means ... I recognized some of the ones I got right and cheated. And haven't seen any Thai or Chinese comics, and not many French.

That Thai one is the only pro comic I've seen - I own a Thai Death Note doujinshi, but I was avoiding doujinshi for this because it woudln't be fair. I've got a friend going to Thailand later this summer; I'll ask her if she's got time and suitcase space, to see if she can find some specifically Thai comics for me. I hadn't seen Chinese manhua other than the pinups in my Asian Comickers book, but Selene-Scans has a decent amount of them. I'd run across the Yukiko's Spinach before, but managed to accidentally find Pink Diary last week.

I got Yukiko's Spinach wrong because I thought it was one of Boullet's collaborations with Kan Takahama, who usually does the art. Cheating messed me up: let this be a lesson to people who try to cheat on internet art quizzes.

I did pretty well I think (I only recognized Vinland Saga and Queen's Knight). Never seen a Thai or French manga before, so it was difficult when I didn't have the feeling something was Japanese or Korean. The only Chinese manga I've ever read are titles by Selena Lin, so I tended to choose the cute shoujo type ones to be Chinese, and I was mostly right there...

I was hoping that Comic Dream would trip people up, because the girl's head in the top center is almost a dead ringer for the style of the mangaka who did MARS. XD Seems to have worked.

Oops, seems I failed to vote on Comic Dream. xD Guess it did.

AHAHAH!
I can't remember what I picked but it doesn't look like I got many right!

I think it's a good lesson in style.

:D I wouldn't have gotten many right if I weren't the person putting the poll together.

Bah. I forgot what I picked too. Oh well, from what I can remember I didn't get many right either.

I was dumb and thought they were all trick questions so I barely chose "manga". But I got 8 right; I'm proud!

Heh, reminds me in a way of www.alllooksame.com

I'm either the worst art history major or the worst manga reader in the universe, because to be perfectly honest, none of them looked particularly distinctive to me in any way. I could have seen any of them coming out of any of those countries. The text balloons didn't even help me. :P

Just went back and re-submitted the poll and-

I can believe I didn't recognize Ravages of Time! Grrr. Though that page in unique in only having head shots, so you can't see their manly muscled torsos.

Generally I thought manwha was very distinctive, but I had a tough time telling manua and manga apart. This is partially because I couldn't ignore the size/orientation of speech bubbles, but also because it looks like older manga. I couldn't tell whether it was Chinese or just from the eighties.

I decided the painterly one was French because the French are Artsy, and that the last one was Thai because it looked different from the others, but I didn't get any of the other Thai/Korean comics.

Who got the most right?

I want to know how so many people figured out that the sole Thai one was Thai. I thought it was too, but I don't know why I thought that.

Don't know yet. I'd have to work out some sort of spreadsheet, or count every. single. one. individually. :D At first glance people seem to be, in general, getting the Japanese and Korean ones right, but missing heavily on the Chinese and French.

Maybe because it was different enough? Or they recognize the character? XD I couldn't use the other pages I found: they were obviously kickboxing or had elephants on them, which I thought was more obviously Thai than anything else.

Imagine that accompanied by this icon.

I could mostly tell the Korean ones. Several tripped me up because they looked SO CLOSE to OLDER Japanese shoujo. (7 in particular). I recognized Queen's Knight and Vampire Game, so those were easy. XD The Chinese, Thai, and French ones totally threw me. I got some of them right, but only because I couldn't see certain ones as anything similiar to Japanese or Korean ones, but was wrong on others.

That's so interesting! The Chinese ones totally threw me, particularly because to me, they look a lot like older Japanese shoujo. I could recognize some of the manhwa ones because of the lack of line differences in the jawline, but that was about it. Anything non-typically-shoujo totally threw me.

That's *exactly* how you spot Chinese shojo. :-) It looks like what you'd see in Ribbon, 10 years ago.

All those big overly done eyes, with the lashes that remind me of sun-rays on children's art.

But yes it is generally how to spot it XD

Found this poll through theotaku.com. It was quite the learning experience ^_^ I haven't read ANY Chinese, French, or Thai comics, so I definitely had to guess what those styles would look like (I did recognize Yukiko's Spinach however, since I'd seen some pages of it on a publisher's website). I think I got 13 right overall. oneiroelpida is right, #7 looks like old-style Japanese shoujo, so I was surprised to learn that it was Chinese. I really want to go read some of that manhua now, if I can find it.

So that's where the names I don't recognize (and a couple I recognize who I know don't read me) are coming from! :D

I wish I'd been able to find more Thai comics, and some non-Marvel/DC-style Filipino ones, but I'm at the mercy of Google for those. :)

I think most of the manhua came from selene-scans.net.

Woo! I got more of these than I thought I actually would and that sort of surprised me. I judged based on line quality and notions like "Chinese stuff looks like older manga because they are so behind like America is in what they find popular", "Korea uses less line weight and most of their stuff uses the strong jaw and big hands/prominent wrists you see in certain Japanese shojo", "French stuff will look more Western", "Thai stuff will look like Chinese stuff from ten years ago". And the MOST biased assessment, which was more a gut reaction than an actual articulated thought, was "Japanese stuff looks Japanese". Yeah no logic there and makes me feel like Racist Savant

:D I was quite surprised at the Chinese stuff. I hadn't read any before doing this, so didn't realize how older-Japanese it looked.

The interesting thing about the Korean stuff is that the ones I tend to like - which I didn't post since they'd been published over here in the States - have a heavier line weight to them. The Korean pages here aren't the same style (and there's one I'd totally ahve pegged as Japanese, because it's so like the josei style that Happy Mania and that ilk uses).

I got six right, and forgot to fill in two of them. I am sort of pleased I spotted one of French ones.

I got nine right... By looking at page numbers (when there) and looking at the different styles (Korean has over-the-top eyes, French is simplified, etc.) I figured out nine... Well I guess that wasn't too bad... Had a great time doing it, and in the first picture there is a small amount of writing beside the girl standing, but I still got it wrong though... Well great quiz, hope you do another one sometime!

There's a Korean one somewhere in there that I managed to leave a tiny bit of hangul floating around, but nobody seems to have caught it. Or, at least, admitted to catching it. :)

I tried to keep to Korean pages with round speech balloons, so as not to make it obvious from the shape that they weren't Japanese, but I wasn't entirely successful.

I think what you did is great... You had me stumped, like I said, I only got nine right, and I have been avidly reading manga for the last five years.

I'm glad you tried not to put the non-round bubbles, because that is a characterization of mahnwa... If you do it agian, let me know... You have a myOtaku account don't you... My site is myotaku.com/users/cosmo2389, thanks!

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