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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2021-04-21 11:07 pm

Renaissance cookery

Reading a translated book by a Renaissance master cook—The Opera of Bartolomeo Scappi (1570). And getting tripped up by the use of all sorts of meats and the completely different flavor profiles favored at the time.

By which I mean you’ll be reading along and hit a recipe for truffles and chicks. AUGH. Or run across one for melon sautéed in butter or chicken fat then boiled with meat broth and gooseberries and thickened with eggs and grated cheese.

Other things are quite interesting: gnocchi existed before potatoes, being made of flour and grated bread, along with a few other things. And there’s a recipe for a garlic soup that starts with FIFTY BULBS—not cloves, bulbs—of garlic. (It’s cooked in several changes of water to kill the garlic burn.) Yeah, he’s cooking for more than a couple of people (he was chief cook to several popes), but...that’s a lot of garlic.

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[personal profile] marycatelli 2021-04-22 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
Medieval recipes are always interesting.
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[personal profile] yhlee 2021-04-22 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
Reminds me weirdly of Paul Dickson's Chow, a history of American military food, which has sample recipes that serve 50. Because of course they do. (I have never been tempted to make one, even scaled down for five...)
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[personal profile] camwyn 2021-04-22 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Some of the medieval and renaissance recipes out there leave me appreciating Leonardo Da Vinci's choice of vegetarianism so very, very much.
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[personal profile] camwyn 2021-04-22 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
.... am I crazy or does this feel like the ancestor of fondue?
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2021-04-22 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
a garlic soup that starts with FIFTY BULBS

And the problem is ... ?
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2021-04-22 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
a garlic soup that starts with FIFTY BULBS
Ah yes the famous mid 16th century Italian vampire outbreak.
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[personal profile] golden_bastet 2021-04-23 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'd try the garlic soup. But then I love garlic.

(There's yer social distancing for ya.)
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[personal profile] adafrog 2021-04-23 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Crazy.

[personal profile] indywind 2021-05-05 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Medieval, Renaissance, and early Colonial European and adjacent cookery is another thing I'm nerdy on. If you ever want cookbook or recipe recs (either for books/articles interesting and informative to read, or foods that I have personally enjoyed making or eating), or opinionated nattering about broad trends or popular misconceptions, hit me up.

street food

[personal profile] indywind 2021-05-12 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
So, generalizing broadly, medieval through colonial street food is less a separate category than maybe we modernly think of food specially planned to be conveniently portable, and more just regular food of the time and place (like you find in a home cookbook, or archaeological evidence where there’s not written evidence), that happened to work out for carrying or eating on the go. Or food that is typically produced entirely, or finished, outside the home even when intended for home consumption. Then all it takes to make it “street food” is to eat it en route rather than sitting down. Bread and many baked goods occupied this category in several times and places, especially in towns and cities where it wasn’t practical for every household to have its own oven: either household cooks would prepare the bread or baked good ready for baking, give it to the baker in the morning, and reclaim it, baked, in the evening for a small service fee, or a baker would bake from scratch and sell the resulting items — anything from loaves or pies measured in multiple pounds, enough to make a meal for several people, on down to single buns or turnovers suitable for a worker to tuck in their rucksack for later. Besides bread, pies or turnovers were popular, because the pastry (generally much less tender/crispy/fragile than we like pastry these days) formed a protective seal around the filling as it cooked, reducing microbial contamination and delaying spoilage in addition to making a convenient package.

(Digression: In somewhat the same way Street Food was not so much a thing as it was just food that happened to be eaten in the street, Dessert was not a thing, there wasn’t any expectation of a distinct sweet course at the end of a multi-course meal; you could have sweet foods throughout a big meal, and sweet versus savory wasn’t a typical criterion for organizing or grouping meal components. Instead, religious strictures were a factor, seasonal availability, economics and status were a factor, and ideas about health, nutrition, metabolism and digestion — humoral considerations of the foods, the diners, the season and circumstance — were a big factor in deciding what foods were to be eaten, by whom, and in what order. It always gives me a bit of an eye roll when I read some supposedly real-historical, not fantasy/magic, description of premodern eating that features foods from wildly different seasons or regions in the same meal as unremarkable, or a meat-and-3-veg+dessert meal. Because those are so characteristically modern that relying on them misses most of the interesting features what differentiate premodern from modern foodways. I don’t eyeroll if it’s a historically inspired fantasy setting because it’s a different reality - but I think fantasy world building is so much cooler when it does consider the underlying factors and come to its own unique, internally consistent take. Like maybe in a world with institutionalized magic, they don’t have humoral theory Medieval European style, but they do have a lot of theory about how different foods, preparations, dietary habits interact with magics of various kinds.)

Another way of thinking about ‘street food’ historically is as food that is meant for traveling. Then you look at what sorts of foods, or preparations, were typical for people who were on the road a lot (and didn’t just move their entire at-home experience as the very wealthy did): soldiers on campaign, itinerant merchants, pilgrims... What did they bring with them to eat? What did they buy (or pick, gather, hunt) along the way? Quartermasters and merchants kept accounts, occasionally a literate middle-class pilgrim kept a journal or correspondence, so we can get a little idea.


(It’s gotten past my bedtime, so further nattering will have to wait til morning. Possibly recipes.)

Re: street food

[personal profile] indywind 2021-05-13 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Fish/seafood makes sense for a coastal location.
Anywhere crop cultivation is possible, there will nearly always be something based on the local grains, plus if they have enough abundance of any other produce so that it's cheap, that'll show up too. I'd bet on grilled/charbroiled and fried-in-oil as common on-the-spot preparations, served on a stick or straight into the customer's hands, shirttail, apron, etc.

Shortly before the time of Scappi, in the late 1400s, Bartolomeo Sacchi called Platina had published De Honesta Voluptate et Valetudinae, "On right pleasure and good health," which is sadly not available online, but there's an excellent translation in print by Mary Ella Milham, Pegasus Press, 1999, which gives some commentary and context beyond the translation. Recipes I recall include a salad of mixed wild and cultivated herbs, including fennel, dressed with oil and vinegar; a squash soup (using vegetable marrow, which we don't tend to see in the US, but it's sort of like the bastard child of a zucchini and a winter squash) flavored with wine and parmesan and almond milk and spices; a squash pie (again with the vegetable marrow, I guess they had a lot of them) along vaguely the same lines as a modern pumpkin pie: cooked squash flesh mixed with spiced custard, baked in a pie shell; a vaguely quiche-like pie of herbs/greens cooked with soft cheese, beaten eggs, and sweet spice in a pie shell; various fritters and omelets, various preparations of meats, poultry, and seafood that I don't recall.
I think all but the soup would make plausible street food.

Around the same time, an anonymous Venetian cookbook was published, with some overlap in recipes with Platina. There's a decent hobbyist translation online: http://helewyse.medievalcookery.com/libro.html