telophase: (Mello - bite my ass)
telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2005-10-20 06:41 pm
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Engrish report: Saiyuki Reload Gunlock Ep. 5

Apparently what I called Ep 3 last time was really Ep 4. Ah well, no biggie.

Ep 5 doesn't have a whole lot of really funny Engrish in it, other than some hideously tortured grammar (that I won't put examples of here, since it has to do with plot and it's still following the manga Against the Stream arc, and would be possible spoilers), and some sentences where they sort of took a wild guess at the correct pronoun, including one passage where, I swear, there was not a single instance of "He", "I", or "You" used correctly.
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Random youkai holding a small child hostage: She is playing the flute?

I don't think this is a mistranslation per se, but it's such an ineffectual threat that it makes me laugh. The mother of said small child shouts at the youkai - who is, BTW, threatening to kill the child: "If you do anything evil to my children, I will never forgive you!!" Bzuh? As a threat, this really strikes me as on par with someone typing in all caps, "IF YOU HURT HIM I WILL DEFRIEND YUR LIVEJOURNAL!! AND I KNOW YOUR I.P. ADDRESS! !"

And then a bit later on the brother of said small child uses the exact same threat. Woo. Mindless youkai killing machine! You won't forgive him if he hurts your friend! OH GOD HOW CAN HE STAND IT?
octopedingenue: (fakir stalwart standing fast)

[personal profile] octopedingenue 2005-10-21 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
The "If you do a bad thing, I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!" crops up all the time in anime/manga, it drives me nuts in an amused way. Sure, the bad guy was a baby-eating mass murderer who slept with your girlfriend, but it was all forgivable up til that point--but now that he's eaten your last Krispy Kreme chocolate iced donut with sprinkles too? Last straw! IT'S ON, BITCH!

I was talking about it to an anime-loving friend who speaks Japanese (and certainly knows a lot more about the Japanese culture than I do), and she said that it's just a stock phrase, the Thing To Say when you're squaring off against a bad guy. She also said it's because there's a sense in the Japanese culture that if you do something bad, if you apologize enough and sincerely and to the right people, you will have to be forgiven for it, so saying "I won't forgive you!" is a shock beyond the pale. I have no idea how accurate that is maybe she makes stuff up to mess with me because she knows I'll believe her! *paranoid*, but it was worth it for her horrifyingly hilarious story example of a person she knew who'd been mind-bogglingly drunk and rude at a Japanese hotel (he was American) and had to do a series of elaborate formal apologies to finally be forgiven for it.

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I've heard the exact same theory- that "I'll never forgive you!" actually is a pretty serious insult in Japanese. The explanation I heard was that, if you're unforgivable, you've ceased to be part of human society. It's similiar to calling someone a "monster" in English.

[identity profile] fourthage.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was taking Japanese, I asked my professor about that (she's a native speaker), and that was pretty much the answer she gave me. She said it was tied up in the shame culture Japan has.

[identity profile] cicer.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
BWAH. "I won't forgive you!"? Oh snap, he got told!

As a threat, this really strikes me as on par with someone typing in all caps, "IF YOU HURT HIM I WILL DEFRIEND YUR LIVEJOURNAL!! AND I KNOW YOUR I.P. ADDRESS!!"

AND I WILL POST A MEAN ENTRY ABOUT YOU ON MY LJ AND TELL ALL MY FRIENDS YOU SUCK! IT'S ON NOW, H0R!!! WE'RE GONNA THROW DOWN!
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
You are so off my buddy list :( (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorow/682133/)

[identity profile] cicer.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
*dies* That is an awesome t-shirt.
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
My GSI (er, TA most people say) wore it to class yesterday. I DIED.

[identity profile] cks.livejournal.com 2005-10-21 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
'I will never forgive you', 'unforgivable' and related things come up so often in anime and manga and are presented as such strong statements that I've always assumed that there's a bunch of cultural undertones we're not getting. (Alternately, the Japanese are pulling an elaborate prank on us all.)

If you watch enough action anime, you'll get to the point where you can pick out this bit of spoken Japanese in dialog. (Often growled dialog.)
octopedingenue: (sanzo is my co-pilot)

all my useless Japanese I learned from action anime

[personal profile] octopedingenue 2005-10-21 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
URUSENAI! or something, isn't it? Which I always get confused with URUSAI! when I'm watching "Saiyuki".