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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2007-10-08 01:35 pm

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Does anyone here happen to know of any books about the An Lu-shan/An Shi Rebellion of 755-763 AD that destabilized the Tang dynasty? I've got my hands on the book cited in the Wikipedia article about it (E. G. Pulleyblank, The Background of the Rebellion of An Lu-Shan, London: Oxford University Press (1955)), but it actually stops three years before the rebellion itself, with the author's hopes that a second volume would be published. Er.

Or, if not books about the rebellion itself, books that contain a chapter or so on it?

[identity profile] janni.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Why not Google the author of the book you have, email them, and ask if they can recommend any resources?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Mostly because I have a deep phobia of contacting people I don't know out of the blue. :)

[identity profile] janni.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, me too. Way easier to suggest someone else do this. :-)

[identity profile] longshot14.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I found this in a link on Google:
http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/naomi.standen/impchina/readinglists.htm

Pulleyblank, E.G., 'The An Lu-shan rebellion and the origins of chronic militarism in late T'ang China', Essays on T'ang society: the interplay of social, political and economic forces, ed. John Curtis Perry & Bardwell L. Smith (Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1976).

Could this be what you're looking for? The link had this and the one you cited above in a long list under the heading "Tang (T'ang) dynasty (7th to 10th cent.) -- Medieval" - maybe one or more of the citations there would be what you're looking for?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I should have mentioned I already ILLed this one. :) I was hoping for some more recent scholarship, but nobody appears to be publishing anything on it in English at the moment. :P

[identity profile] longshot14.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Suuuuck. Well, a quick scan of the other citations in the list from the link above shows a few other (possibly more general) possibilities:

# Graff, David, Medieval Chinese warfare, 300-900 (London: Routledge, 2001).

Kroll, Paul W., 'The flight from the capital and the death of precious consort Yang', T'ang Studies, 3 (1985), 25-53. (I include this one only because one of the encyclopedia entries on the rebellion mentioned that the emperor's soldiers made him execute his consort - don't know for sure if this is the same one).

Maybe one of these?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, the first one's in our library. And yeah, that second one look to be the same consort. Thanks!
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, hey! I just noticed that entire journal is called T'ang Studies, duh! There should be something there, and I bet that would be a goldmine of historical detail on gender roles and daily life and class and whatnot.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
We may not have that one, but we've got this one: NAN NU -- Men, Women & Gender in Early & Imperial China. Hopefully it'll have some interesting stuff. :D


*blink* *blink* Although one would wonder why one needed and entire journal titled Alcoholic drinks in China...?
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Clearly to focus on wine and Li Bai poetry! ;)

Dude, that is awesome. I miss my department so much now.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
And I just found we have access to Asian folklore studies. I think it calls for lots of browsing. XD
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
!!!!

I live for the day when I am back at school. OMG. If you find any good book recs or whatnot from that journal, let me know?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooo, wait - it's an Open Access Journal, so I *think* you should be able to access it:

http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publications/afs/afsMain.htm
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoo! FTW!
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[identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
...searchable back issues online as far back as 1942! *squees*
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[personal profile] chomiji 2007-10-08 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)


Errr, maybe this one?



Chinese Ways in Warfare (Harvard East Asian Series)

by Frank A. Kierman (Editor), John King Fairbank (Editor)

Harvard University Press (January 1, 1974)


[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That one looks promising: thanks. :D
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Alas, I have no idea, though it's a fascinating event! Most of my knowledge of it is from lectures. I can check with another historian friend though; he probably is more up-to-date on things.

Hrm. I figure since you're just looking for books here that you've checked for articles on Jstor and etc?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

I haven't started the look for articles yet, but I figure I'll do that during my down time at work over the next few days. :)
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Also sort of off-topic but connected with the An Lu Shan rebellion, you may want to google or search for Yang Guifei, who's the courtesan who supposedly sparked it all off (at least, in popular fiction. History probably says different). Bai Juyi wrote a giant poem on her and the emperor's DOOMED LOVE and blah blah how it brought down the high Tang period, blah blah. I also vaguely remember finding some books and articles on Yang Guifei a while back; I bet those would have at least something to do with the An Lu Shan rebellion and the fall of the high Tang. In a similar vein, you may want to look for histories or articles on Tang Xuanzong.

A lot of Du Fu's poems deal with the aftermath of the An Lu Shan rebellion; books on Du Fu and his historical influences (a lot of his poetry was based on political events) would probably mention something about it just for context.

Also^3, the Wiki article mentions this a little, and I remember my prof. retelling it dramatically, but the decision of Yang Guozhong to fight a decisive battle in open fields as opposed to, say, the easily defensible valley close by is an amazing exercise in military stupidity.

Also^4, I'd search for any history books on the Tang Dynasty in general; they pretty much HAVE to cover the An Lu Shan rebellion and the political aftermath, as that was one of the most influential events in Tang history.

Sorry I am not finding book titles myself =(. I suspect you have better access to Jstor and library catalogs and the like (I am so jealous! I miss my EAS library). Alas, I concentrated mostly in Japan so I don't know the reputable Chinese scholarly journals, but the JAS (Journal of Asian Studies) is (or was as of four years ago) the main scholarly journal for EAS in general. There are probably more on the Chinese side, but I don't remember... will check with my historian friend again.
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
ALSO! OMG please shut me up...

Jacques Gernet's A History of Chinese Civilization is AFAIK one of the major textbooks of Chinese history; it has to have at least a little on the An Lu Shan rebellion and it should be fairly easy to find, unless all the students have checked it out.

(And, um, I will totally be lurking here if other people post stuff; I just realized how very little I know about Tang Dynasty! Most of my Chinese history knowledge has to do with late Ming and Qing Dynasty.)

(Also^infinity, if you want me to check for period detail or whatnot, I would be more than happy to! Ah ha, though I suspect it is early yet. I am just EXTREMELY EXCITED about people writing historical China fantasy! YAY!)

And now I will slink away for real and hope I have not completely scared you off.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
(Well, I'll say fantasy based loosely on historical China rather than historical China fantasy. XD)
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, it is all good by me! Also just emailed friend, will see if he knows more.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
XD Thank you!

(And AARG, we don't have the book on medieval warfare in the series because it is in the dreaded On Order Hell. XP It's Greenwood Press' Soldiers' Lives Through History where the first half deals with generic military life such as logistics and sanitation and camps and tactics, and the second half focuses on specific armies around the world.)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that I have any intention of actually having any scenes in the military in This Thing I Am Totally Not Writing...

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'll say fantasy based loosely on historical China rather than historical China fantasy

For more of same, you could check out Mizoguchi's film, Yang Kweifei.

Niggling at the back of my mind is the memory of a very bad novel set in the period. I remember the clownish characterization of- if not An Lushan himself then at least the An Lushan figure- as a drunken sot, and absolutely nothing else about it. The period details may have been correct and it might have had a bibliography, but my mind provides absolutely no other information.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! :)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Keep it up; every little bit helps. :D

(and I just found a book series that's totally awesome for dailt details of solder lives ... provided I want military based 1000 years too early or 1000 years too late. ARG. Here's hoping I can find the one on medieval warfare...)
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Heee.

Anyway, not sure if I am giving you the right resources; mine are geared more toward history and politics than daily life details.

But yeah. The An Lu Shan rebellion and Yang Guifei are probably among the most well-known historical events in Chinese history; I am betting that any history covering that period will mention it.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I need both - my grasp of history and politics is slim to none (I'm a social historian at heart, not a political one), but I also need to work out how they affect the daily lives of people. AARG.
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-10-08 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, then I'd definitely read Du Fu -- both his poems and scholarship on his poetry and hopefully a critical biography (damnit, I should know some, sigh). There should be a good deal of info on Du Fu; he's the most highly regarded Chinese poet (with the possible exception of Li Bai and... maybe some more poets. I feel weird making big statements without qualifiers. My academia is showing!).

From what I remember, Du Fu was around the capital and the court when all this went down and he fled with a ton of other people and ended up living in genteel poverty. His poetry is pretty famous for reflecting the lives of ordinary people and for its focus on everyday detail, as opposed to the more romantic and wild poetry of Li Bai or Bai Juyi's epic on Yang Guifei (Bai Juyi wrote it probably a generation later; I don't think he lived through it like Du Fu did, though I say this all without checking Wiki, so I might be totally off). But anyway. Articles and books on Du Fu and his poetry should have something on daily life and the effect of politics on people, not just history, though probably not books that focus solely on his poetic techniques and etc., though I am sure you have already figured that out!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Cool, thanks! *rumamges around OPAC* We've got several books and an ebook on him, it looks like. Yay. :D

Although not the journal T'ang Studies. Boo. ILL into the breach, I guess.

[identity profile] puddingcat.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
AKICILJ is condensed in [livejournal.com profile] ljgenie :) It's maintainer is friendly & weird-question friendly...

here via link on oyceter's journal--

[identity profile] sarasusa.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] oyceter mentioned your quest for information, and as a librarian myself, I had to rise to the challenge! So I did an article search across some of the electronic databases to which my library system subscribes. This "critical essay" may be of interest:

Yao, Ping. "The status of pleasure: courtesan and literati connections in T'ang China (618-907)." Journal of Women's History, Summer 2002 v14 i2 p26(29). (Article cites Pulleyblank, actually! Pulleyblank also authored An Lu-Shan's biographical article in the Britannica Biography Collection.)

Apparently the rebellion had an impact on Buddhist history as well: there are several brief articles relating to the rebellion-connected Northern School/Southern School controversy appear in the Dictionary of Buddhism (Ed. Damien Keown, Oxford University Press, 2003).

And I've no idea if the below (related to monastic life in the T'ang dynasty) is relevant to your needs, but it sounds pretty interesting anyway:

Kohn, Livia. Monastic life in medieval Daoism : a cross-cultural perspective. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press, c2003.
"Offers a detailed description and analysis of the organizations and practices of medieval Daoist monasteries, discussing their origins, history, conceptual understanding, and social position, and describing the etiquette, vestments, and liturgical dimension of monastic life."


Re: here via link on oyceter's journal--

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-08 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

And, yeah, monastic life and Daoism may or may not be relevant ... this thing I swear I am not writing because if I admit it, it'll go away has some religious connections as well. :D

[identity profile] ikirimeihe.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
There's not a lot recent in English. It is a little dated now, but a still useful place to start, especially if you don't know the historical context: Cambridge history of China vol. 3 (Sui Tang China). One of the general consequences that historians argue regarding the rebellion is that it basically broke the back (if not entirely annihilated) the hereditary noble class-landed aristocracy in China.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! That's interesting - was that hereditary system anything equivalent to the feudal system in Western Europe? (Well, I suppose I'll learn the answer to that by reading about it. XD)

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like I'm a bad Chinese history major (undergrad was, anyway) for not popping up, but yeah, I second the Cambridge rec.

Somewhere I have a photo I took of the Yang Guifei statue in China. It's lolarious to me for some reason, maybe because it looks exactly like a 1920s art deco homage to Greco-Roman statuary. Plus she's all "HAI, HERE ARE MY BOOBIES!" But at the same time I kind of love it.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! XD Thanks!

[identity profile] tuotatianwang.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"A History of Chinese Civilization" by Jacques Gernet has a chapter on it, and is cheaper (and possibly easier to find) than the Cambridge volume.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-10-09 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Luckily, I'm a librarian. :)

Thanks!