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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2007-07-08 03:22 pm

Hah!

Officially, as of today, forty pounds down. A lot to go: note that I am not actually giving you the numbers yet. XD Maybe I'll do that when I reach my first major goal.

And now for something I'd been threatening to write for a while, about how I'm doing this with, surprisingly, next to no pain.



There's two parts, food and exercise:

Food

First, I'm not dieting. A diet, by its very nature, is something temporary and once you go off it and back to your normal habits, the weight comes back. Diets don't work and they tend to be restrictive, which leads to feelings of deprivation, which leads to snapping and overeating.

What I'm doing is figuring out what normal eating is for me, and doing that.

I'm not giving up any of the foods I like. I'm not even forcing myself to restrict the number of times I eat them: any time I walk into the kitchen, the option is open to eat anything in there, or to get in the car and go buy anything I want. You have no idea how liberating this is.

I am watching the amounts of what I eat, and I do that by setting a calorie target and logging everything I eat. This works for me because I am not prone to eating disorders. Obsessive logging of calories is very bad if you have any tendency to an eating disorder - don't do it if you think you are. I know there's a set of people out there who oppose any sort of food logging, who say that if you listen to your body and eat what it wants, you'll eat the right amount of a variety of foods. Sorry, no. If I do that without paying attention, my body pretty much eats Chik-Fil-A for lunch and Schlotzsky's for dinner and has 2 or 3 Cokes and almost no vegetables whatsoever. I have to reset what my body thinks it wants before I can do that - and it's working, because I tend to eat smaller portions now. The days I go without logging because I'm out of town or something, and come back and fill them in, I find that I'm still fairly close to the calorie limits. I've also worked all my favorite foods into this. I'd not follow any diet that kept me from eating nachos, or Tuna Helper, or butter-delivery systems potatoes and artichokes.

Secondly, eating has nothing to do with morality. I do not feel guilty for eating over my calorie limit. I do not say I am bad when I have chocolate or go to the snack-bar/cafe thing upstairs in the middle of the afternoon and get a snack. Doing that every so often is normal eating. Normal eating is not eating the same amount of calories every day, day in and day out. If I go over one day, I know I'll probably be under another day - it all evens out. One the forums I read on the site where I log my calories - I don't post there because I'd have to succumb to the urge to bitch-slap many of these people and that would Not Be Good - it drives me insane that people beat themselves up over eating 200 calories more than their targets. That's the diet mentality, and that's why they go back to their original habits and regain weight or never lose any. What I eat has nothing to do with how "good" or "bad" I am, or whether I'm a failure or a success.

I'm also going the gourmet path: I know people who fill their kitchens with diet foods and low-fat foods and so on, but I'd really rather eat a small amount of something excellent than a large amount of something kinda nasty. This is where I do actually do a bit of bargaining: I can eat as much dark chocolate as I want. It's just got to be the really expensive Scharffen Berger stuff that cost $9.95 for 10 ounces. I can eat as much buttered popcorn as I wish. I've just got to make it from scratch in a pan on the stove instead of using microwave popcorn.

There are times I decided not to watch what I ate at all. When I have migraines, often the amount of pain corresponds to my hunger, so I'll eat whatever I damn well want on those days, because overeating for one to three days won't do a damn thing to me in the long run. Also, when I'm out with friends or at a convention, I don't watch what I eat. I'm there to enjoy myself, and food is part of that. I don't go out with friends very often, so it works for me - if my social life were more full, I'd probably change this guideline a bit. :) At conventions, I eat a full breakfast because otherwise I have a tendency to forget to eat at all and trigger migraines - eating too much is way better than a migraine.

Family holidays, also, I refuse to watch what I eat. I'm there to enjoy the day and my family, not to worry about what I put into my mouth. I spent too many holidays with relatives worrying about what they're eating - and, I note, still steadily gaining weight each year :D - to do that. I'm not going to ruin the day for myself or anyone else by worrying about unimportant things, and one day's or even one weekend's food intake is unimportant.

I am also, at the moment, not worrying too much about the amount of fat and various nutrients I eat. This is because that's a major change, and I know I can't do more than one major change to my diet at a time without feeling stressed out and deprived. Once I get to a point where I feel I'm capable of that, I'll start paying more attention to it. Note that I also have good genes when it comes to blood pressure, cholesterol, etc., and I know that mine are all within good levels because I have to get my blood tested periodically for the meds I'm on. :) If I were on the verge of heart disease, I would be taking a very different approach.

And speaking of the meds: getting diagnosed with AD/HD and being put on medication for that did amazing things. AD/HD is, basically, a dysfunction in the area of the brain called the executive center, which controls things like long-term planning, impulse control, motivation and reward processes. (Pretty good summary.) You can see where this feeds into eating and exercising - when you can't control impulses, it's easier to eat more, grab that Coke instead of the diet soda or water, make a snap decision to say "Yes" when someone offers you food, etc. And it's much easier to say "I don't want to do this today; I'll do it tomorrow" - it's not a matter of not wanting, but more a matter of can't with this condition. When there's a hiccup in the motivation/reward process, your brain cannot tie the motivation for not eating this thing or for exercising today with the reward of feeling and looking better down the road. It's not perfect - I've desperately needed to clean the fridge out for three weeks already and still haven't made myself do it, for example, but I've been able to hit near my calorie target every day for the past three weeks, which would have been impossible to do last year.

And one more thing: I don't eat too little. And I (usually) eat back the calories I've expended in exercise. Which means that even though my calorie target is 1600, I tend to eat 1600-1800 a day, because I expend somewhere around 150-200 calories on exercise. 40 pounds in 27 weeks - that's averaging a pound and a half a week, even when eating an amount of calories that Conventional Wisdom says should make me gain weight. This is because you need a certain amount of calories just to live - to keep your brain working, to make your heart beat, to make your lungs inflate. For most women, that's somewhere around 1200/day, higher for most men. If your total intake - the food you've eaten minus your calories burned - is less than that, your body goes on alert and starts conserving energy and using fewer calories because it thinks there's a food shortage. The way to stop that happening is to eat enough, across the long term.

Exercise

A much shorter category. :D First, the AD/HD meds again: this is one of the reasons I've been able to exercise almost every day.

Secondly: not asking too much of myself. All I ask is 20 minutes on the bike, every day. That's just about the length of a half-hour TV show, minus commercials and credits, and is easy to do. I see people here and there who work out for hours a day, who put in lunch hours at the gym and who walk after work, who count the number of calories burned on gym equipment in the thousands at one session, and so on. (A) That's eating disordered behavior. (B) I got way better things to be doing with my time. I promised myself I'd never get into an exercise routine that lasted more than an hour a day unless I was training for something specific: i.e. a race, a competition, karate belt test: of course you train as much as you can, because there's a purpose beyond mere burning calories. (C) That's eating disordered behavior. Worth saying twice.

The optimum exercise recommendation for health is 30 minutes of aerobic exercise (as in brisk walking), 5 days a week, which is very close to my 20 min/7days schedule. More than that, and the results you get decline in comparison to the amount of effort you put in.

Third: toys. I can't just go out and walk, or whatever. I get bored easily (that AD/HD thing again). I need toys. The recumbent bike has been great, as has logging exercise times and distances and the LotR thing, and posting it to LJ.

Fourth: it has to be convenient for me. There's a weight room here in the apartment complex with machines, but that's not convenient, because I have to put on some sort of clothing that is fit to be seen in public (unlike at home where I just put on PJs or a stained tank top and pajama bottoms), and make sure that my hair isn't awful (which means on weekends taking a shower before I go exercise, which is Just Not Right), and so on. Having the bike at home works for me. I can't go out to a gym, either - I can have access to the campus gym for $5/month - because it's way too much effort. I'd have to bring gym clothes to work or rent a locker, then go find parking nearby (because I'm not walking back across campus when I'm tired out), and then I'd either have to take a shower there, meaning two showers in one day which I find ridiculous for daily life, or drive home all sweaty and icky.

And last but not least: another place I buck conventional wisdom is that I weigh myself several times a day. :D Again, if you're prone to eating disorders, this is BAD behavior. But with me, it means that I have a good idea of how much my weight fluctuates over a day and over a week. If I weigh 4 pounds more on Wednesday than I did on Sunday, it's not a big deal because I know I always see a drop around Friday and Saturday, no matter what I've done or eaten during the week.



Anyway, after aaaaall of that: losing weight doesn't make me a better person. It won't make me more popular (and I wouldn't want to be friends with anyone who wouldn't be friends with someone fat), it won't make me more confident (I got plenty of other insecurities, thankyouverymuch, and some of the most confident women I know are my size or larger), and it won't turn me into the Perfect Woman, because there's no such thing. All it does is make me smaller. :) I'm not interested in getting down to the weight that TV tells me I should be, or that the height/weight charts* and BMI indicators tell me I should be, I'm mostly interested in being a weight I feel comfortable with.


* Created in the 1930s and 1950s by insurance companies studying white, professional men, BTW, not women or people of color or people working lower-class jobs. The history of our obsession with weight is quite interesting and enlightening.


And now if you excuse me, I'm off to take a shower, attempt to clean out the fridge, and go to the grocery store. :)

[identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Go you, overall. That 20 mins/day I think makes a huge, huge difference.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D

As far as I can figure, that 20 minutes/day (which, I admit, tends to be 5 or 6 days a week instead of 7, but my goal is 7) is what drives most of the weight loss. The 6 weeks or so before A-Kon, when I made the decision to lessen the amount of exercise and focus on getting Spindrift finished and art produced for the con* and ended up getting in only 2 or 3 days a week, I didn't gain any weight. My loss slowed, so I lost about 2 pounds during that time, but didn't stop. I think that was because I adjusted my eating slightly, so I was still totalling about 1500-1600 a day, just eating a bit less because I wasn't burning as much. That was a plan that worked, and I totally plan on doing that again if I need to. :) Having too many obligations to do per day stresses me the hell out, and knowing that I can adjust eating/exercising to compensate is a load off my mind.

* Deliberate decisions seem to work better for me then just not doing it and feeling guilty later; and it's easier to get back into the habit.

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[identity profile] magicnoire.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Figuring out what normal eating habits are is half the battle, I think. I went out for lunch yesterday and had the yummiest Japanese eggplant burger from Cheesecake Factory.

The problem? I very, very rarely eat burgers and even then, it's at a homestyle BBQ. The burger I ate yesterday had all the fixings... but it also had fancy cheese, fancy dressing, and a whole lot of oil.

Because my father required a super healthy diet due to a medical condition, I grew up (ever since I was 8 or so) on the very same super healthy diet. It's what my body's been trained to need and want. So, the burger yesterday? Really, really threw my body out of whack. It was good but I felt vaguely ill all day because my body isn't used to that kind of food. It wasn't until lunch today when I had simple spaghetti with simple marinara sauce and added mushrooms and mini meatballs that my body and stomach felt normal.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
:D Yeah. What you grow up eating and are used to has a lot to do with it. I have this complex about drinking Coke because my mom was always trying to get me to lose weight as I was growing up*, so there was always a bottle of Coke and a bottle of Diet Coke in the fridge and I was not allowed to drink the Coke. So when I got out of the house and into college, by God I was grown up and I could drink Coke if I wanted to!

Which was, I think, a good part of the problem - once I worked out my average daily intake of food before I started doing this, and it was higher than I needed to maintain my weight by just about the amount of a can of Coke per day, which was fairly enlightening and one of the reasons I'm averaging about three glasses of Coke a month now, instead of 5-6/week.

I've noticed that although my fat intake is still higher than it ought to be, I tend to get sick a lot more on days when it's really high, so I think my body is gradually adjusting to a slightly-lower-fat diet. This is a trend I hope continues. :)



* Which wasn't necessary, really: it was all puppy fat. My senior year of highschool, it all migrated to my boobs and butt but the damage had been done by then and all I could see when I looked at my 130-pound, size-12 self in the mirror was this fat, hideous thing. I should probably thank the ADHD for making it impossible to regulate my eating and exercise, otherwise I might have gone down the eating-disorder path.

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[personal profile] scribblemoose 2007-07-08 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
God, that's so inspiring. *bookmarks* Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on food and exercise. I think you're absolutely right. And it couldn't have come at a better time for me.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D I'm happy if it helps you. :D
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[identity profile] estara.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
you're a really encouraging role model. I hope I can get there, too.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And I'm sure you can - it takes working out what works for you, primarily. Once I was able to get past what Conventional Wisdom said, and separated morality from eating so that I could still enjoy eating during all of this, it more-or-less clicked.

Honestly, I'm going to celebrate my 40-pound weightloss tonight by going and getting a huge, sloppy order of nachos from the Taco Cabana nearest my apartment - it'll blow my calorie budget for today, but by less than 500, and I will not feel one iota guilty about it. I will sit on the couch and savor every last yummy bit of it. :) And the hell with everyone who says you shouldn't tie food into rewards! It damn well works for me.

[identity profile] tokyoghoststory.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
as alaways, thank you much for the inspiration :D. supposedly i've lost some, but i don't check numbers ~_~. but my clothes have been getting looser and dear lord, i'm buying things i never thought i'd wear!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Good for you! :D You're welcome, and I'm happy to help. XD

[identity profile] riofriotex.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
40 pounds in 27 weeks is awesome! You are so right that each person has to figure out what works individually.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D And in relation to the thing about what works for each person, I just posted in a comment above that I was going to reward myself tonight with a huge, sloppy order of nachos from Taco Cabana. Lots of people say not to tie rewards in with food, but the hell with them: it works for me. Maybe if I found I was rewarding myself every day, or a few times a week, it wouldn't be a good strategy, but I don't do that very often. (At least not since the AD/HD meds kicked in: I used to rationalize drinking Coke as a type of reward or as a migraine preventative [quick rise in blood sugar can abort one sometimes for me] every time I bought one, but that habit evaporated some time ago.)

And I am going to enjoy every last bite of those nachos without one shred of guilt. XD

[identity profile] kintail.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Go you! The 40 pounds is something in itself to be proud of, but I think that making a lifelong healthy change -- regardless of what fractions results the scale can measure -- is an even bigger deal.

You are inspiring, and I'm not just saying that: I've been increasing my own exercise levels steadily, and seeing your updates has been a part of what's encouraging me to do that. I'm up to doing at least one thing (20 min walk and/or 20 min of yoga, and I've just started a t'ai chi class) every day most weeks!

I'm going to check out the ADHD info, because although I don't think I have it, I think I have a lot of the same problems due to what one doctor diagnosed as Post Traumatic Syndrome (a completely different thing from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, despite the confusing name) which is basically a catch-all for brain damage that doesn't show up on scans and tests, and includes a common set of symptoms like trouble focusing, lack of motivation, and (um, what was the other major thing... oh, also memory problems, and... oh right,) trouble making decisions. None of my doctors have followed up on it, but I wonder if ADHD treatments might help.

I also really need to post a life update in my own journal... but first, I'm off to make supper.

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[identity profile] paper-legends.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, you are my hero and an inspiration! 40lbs in 27 weeks is a freak AMAZING result. The only thing I would say is that, as you get closer to whatever your goal is, "muscle confusion" could really prove a good idea. After 27 weeks (hell, after 3 weeks) your body remembers what it takes to do that particular exercise and it can plateau. Do 3 weeks on a bike and a week of walking; 3 weeks on a bike and a week of yoga; 3 weeks on a bike and a week of swimming. Work new muscles, when closer to your goal. For instance, I have 10-15lbs left to lose, so I got the P90X dvds and I hope that will break me out of this 7 week plateau of going up and down between 138 and 142 over and over and over. Driving me nuts.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D And yeah - I'd known that you can plateau due to that, and also I've seen lots of people complaining that the closer you are to goal weight, the harder and slower it is to lose, so I'm preparing for that. But that's a long time off at the moment. XD

It'll be an excuse to buy more toys, I think: I want to incorporate weights so that I can build muscle and get stronger, and it'll be a total excuse to buy a weight set or a (cheap, unfortunately) home gym thing. I love futzing with weight machines at the gym, but the time and effort it takes to go to one tends to cancel out my fun. A home set would see a lot more use, I think.

Good luck to you! :D

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[identity profile] kungfufighting.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
That's absolutely fabulous. Good on you.

I recently read Staying Healthy With Nutrition by Elson Haas, and I recommend you give it a flick through. He's totally against dieting and whatnot, but is very clear on what vitamins we all need and what vitamins our food is giving us exactly. From your post, it seems like you might be able to gain something from a read-through. I don't recommend it to anyone, but you've got a super attitude towards this, and you've built yourself a perfect routine that suits you well, which I think is great. Any little thing from that book can help.

Height-weight charts are satanic. All through adolescence, they drove me crazy, even though I was an ideal size. Why? Because my bones are denser and I had more muscle than most 15 year old girls. Aaargh.

Your LotR posts entertain me endlessly. I may start doing that myself soon. ^-^

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'll take a look at it. I know that I don't get all the vitemins I need from my food, and combat that with a supplement every day. I started that a year and a half ago - being lactose intolerant and hating dark green leafy things, I don't get enough calcium naturally - and after a few months noticed a drop in the frequency of migraines that seemed to correspond with it. I mentioned it to my doctor, and she theorized it might be due to B vitamins. I tell ya, the threat of more migraines keeps me on that vitamin regimen more than anything else ever. XDD
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Good for you! I think I worked something out too. I always have oatmeal for breakfast, because if I skip breakfast I just eat more later on. Then, no matter what time I ate breakfast, I wait at least four hours before eating lunch. Lunch is either soup or a sandwich because I like soup and sandwiches. After lunch, it must be at least four hours before I eat dinner. Maintaining these time separations is important, because I don't always wake up at the same time, and if I ate according to the clock half the time I'd eat too early and end up eating a second dinner.

Counting calories would drive me nuts. ^^; What's important is timing. (And limited the amount of instant-access food in the house.)

For exercise, I do 80 crunches when I wake up and before I go to bed, 20 push-ups twice a day, walk half an hour a day, and three times a week I do reps with 5-pound weights. At first, when I started, it was really hard to do reps, because weight-training is boring and even when I wasn't physically tired, I'd lose interest in what I was doing and give up halfway through to go get a snack or something. So, to make things more interesting, I started counting in unique ways: backwards in sets of four (4, 3, 2, 1, 8, 7, 6, 4), forwards in consecutively increasing sets (1, 2, 1, 2, 5, 1, 2, 3, 9), forward in sets of alternating threes and fives, etc. It's had the side effect of improving my mental math skills, XD.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I like oatmeal, but it's just too ... dry? sticky? heavy? whatever ... for breakfast for me. I'll eat it occasionally during the day. What ended up working for me was getting packages of those individual boxes of cereal and throwing a couple of those into my bag when going to work every day. If I skip breakfast, my focus goes away and my brain gets more fuzzy and my decison-making ability gets bad as the day goes on, so I end up eating lunch really late because I can't force myself to change state and get up from the desk, eating whatever's closest to me because I can't make a decision on where or what to eat, and provoking migraines.

I can't do it by timing - if I start feeling hungry, I need to eat something, otherwise the ADD increases and migraines are more probable. XD And since I don't eat too much at once sitting, usually, I get hungrier more often. I remember being over at someone's house and asking when the group was going to get dinner. They were all "You're hungry? It's only been five hours since we ate!" and I was all "You people eat like horses! I'd throw up if I did that! And I'm going to get a migraine!" I think I ended up going out and grabbing something from a nearby fast-food joint for myself.

I think I'm more the six-small-meals-a-day type.

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"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

[identity profile] cerusee.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Worked for me! Minus calorie logging, ADD/ADHD, and migraines, plus an unpleasant spell of situational depression. When I realized I was overweight and out of shape, I consciously changed my eating, cooking, and exercise habits. Over the course of three years, I lost enough weight and got fit enough to feel happy, comfortable, and attractive. Re-learning how to cook made it possible to indulge my love of interesting and tasty foods, meet my nutritional needs, impress my family and channel my creative impulses into a practical and socially desirable hobby (...financially, it's a bust. I rarely eat out, and and rarely miss it, but produce in New England is ungodly expensive, so, say, gazpacho soup is barely cheaper from my own kitchen than from a moderately priced eatery. Then again, everything in New England is expensive. That, like the insane housing prices, is part of the silent cost of living in a region of the U.S. that reserves the right to sneer at people who pay less for heating costs during the winter). The conventional approach to dieting gives me hives, but I honestly believe that if I'm flexible and honest, I can maintain my current relationship with (delicious) food and activity for the rest of my life. Which makes it a billion times more effective than any fad diet.

Re: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
:D I like cooking, but two problems keep me from doing much: the time issue, because I end up making a huge production of it, and the amounts I make: I end up making enough to serve six to eight people, eat half of it, and the other half sits in the fridge and gets fuzzy. :/

I need to move closer to a farmer's market type place, where I can drop by more often and pick up small amounts of fresh fruits and vegetables instead of doing a huge grocery run every 2-3 weeks. I'd probably waste far less food that way.

[identity profile] baldeagle.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I suppose that just lends credibility to them as far as I'm concerned. But then again, I would be an obese white male professional.

* Created in the 1930s and 1950s by insurance companies studying white, professional men, BTW, not women or people of color or people working lower-class jobs. The history of our obsession with weight is quite interesting and enlightening.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Who may, on the whole, actually be eating a healthier, more varied diet than your average businessman in the 1930s. :)

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[identity profile] rayechu.livejournal.com 2007-07-08 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I love reading all of your exercising posts. I have been trying to really watch what I have been eating lately and exercise more. I think this paycheck I am throwing caution to the wind and buying my exercise bike. Congrats on the weightloss and the extremely healthy attitude about it. I wish more people would think like you do.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
THank you! :D And good luck!

[identity profile] boniblithe.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
I have to log calories too, because when I don't, I find myself occasionally unaware of what I've been ingesting and I would eat butter and salt for 3 meals and nary a vegetable would cross my lips. I log my exercise too, so I can keep track of when I've lifted and when I should do something more aerobic. I was trying to just do "every other day" but then my schedule got crazy and I couldn't keep track one day to the next.

I would love to see you post this on the forums :D I bet a lot of lurkers would cheer (silently).

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
You are me and I claim my five pounds. XD If I don't write what I've eaten, it ends up being a round of potato-nachos-potato-nachos-Tuna Helper-potato, just because they're the easiest things to make.

I haven't dared post because I don't want to deal with the responses. XD I did aaaalmost break my resolve not to post when someone posted something about willpower, because I wanted to scream at him that willpower has fuck-all to do with it: willpower is strong enough to get you through one meal or one exercise session, but not a lifetime of it. And that willpower has nada to do with my success this year, and Strattera has a lot more. (So I think it's the long-term planning and motivation/reward things, mostly.)

[identity profile] emtigereyes.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Good stuff, and congrats the progress towards your personal goal.

Honestly, all anyone really needs is 20-30 min. of aerobic activity a day (more than that is all well and good, as you noted, when you are training toward a specific goal... or if you do something labor-intensive for a living). While sure, burning calories is good, it gives your overall metabolism a good swift kick. Helps everything process better.

You also have a good attitude toward how to work change in. Some of the eating disorder habits are just scary in how easily they can sneak in to behaviors if you aren't watching. Like you, I keep my calorie intake in mind... no strict counting. I have a general goal, and if I miss it by a bit, it's not the end of the world. I just try to stay aware so I don't miss the mark by large amounts or frequently.

To make my doctor happy, I should be exercising and maybe lose a little weight. It's probably the one thing I'm not doing right now that I could benefit from (in case anyone doesn't know, I'm a Type I Diabetic). The more I read about your biking success, the more I'm considering dropping the cash to get a machine for my apartment (I too rarely go down to the complex's workout room). I'm still playing with the idea of joining a gym, but only so I'd have access to a lap pool... after 12 yrs. of competitive summer swimming, I prefer that for a good low impact workout.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

I love my bike - it and my TiVo together make the best exercise machine I've ever used. :D Even if the thing breaks, it was cheap enough at $175 that it's worth it, since I've been using it almost daily.

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[personal profile] thawrecka 2007-07-09 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
That is a very sensible way of going about it.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. :)

[identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that is impressive and terrific! Go go go!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
THanks! :D

[identity profile] mscongeniality.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
(I admit to posting this without reading any of the 50-odd comments)

I need to drop about 30 lbs, myself. I don't actually know because I never weigh myself, but I know that's about what I weighed when I fit into my 'target clothes' and I'd rather fit clothes I already have than buy more. :-p

It sounds like the approach you took is fairly similar to the approach I'm planning on taking once my new job settles into something like a routine. I've got pretty weird food restrictions (like, I can't have too many raw vegetables) so 'traditional' dieting is right out and I don't think I eat too badly, I just want to be more conscious of what I do eat and to start exercising.

I think I'll be going with a coworker to the office gym in the afternoons. I know she does a full workout, but my plan is to do about 20 minutes on a treadmill or bicycle. That way, I'm getting exercise but I'm keeping the time away from my desk to a minimum. I don't need to build muscle or anything, I just need to up my activity level.

So...yeah. Good going, it sounds like things are going great and I hope these changes continue to work for you. :)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, and good luck to you! :D
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[identity profile] celestriad.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
i totally agree with you on eating less of the authentic, really-bad-for-you-in-large-quantities stuff instead of eating tons of that nasty diet stuff. ugh.

exercise has always been a problem for me. :/ in general, i just don't like moving, and forcing myself to do it is always a struggle. i've been trying to see if i can find something i like enough to want to do, but so far it hasn't happened. the only thing that seems to work for me right now is to be in a class or club, where i'll motivate myself because i don't want to be a quitter. :P

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I had to find exercise that I liked, or at least could stand for 20 minutes at a time. And what makes me like the recumbent bike is (a) it doesn't hurt my butt or back the way that regular bikes do, and (b) I can watch TV while doing it. :) Shounen action shows like Bleach are excellent for making me not notice how long I've been biking. XD

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[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Huzzah! It's good to see someone proving the eat less and exercise theory. I've lost 17-25 pounds (stress last summer had me gain back a few pounds) just by doing that.

I DO need to be careful when it comes to counting calories, measuring portion sizes, weighing myself because I am very prone to eating disorders. (Tho I still maintain it was a low-level OCD that set me on the path in the first place.) I made myself count calories for several months and now I am familiar with what constitutes a portion size so I don't count as much anymore; maybe twice a year I count for a month just to make sure I remember what portion sizes are like.

Congratulations! When next I see you I may not recognize you!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-09 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! I do firmly believe that eating less and exercising more work - fancy diets work by restricting your eating in one way or another and entertaining you enough to stick to it. And that when people claim they're eating less and exercising more and not losing weight - unless they're suffering from a metabolic disorder or something like PCOS that screws with the metabolism or have dieted themselves into starvation mode - they're most likely fooling themselves as to how much they're really eating or how much they're exercising.

Thank you! And I hope so! XD

[identity profile] gweniveeve.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Woo, awesome! And I highly approve of your methods. I too am a fan of the "gourmet" method -- if you're going to eat chocolate cake, it had better be real chocolate cake and not some crappy "diet" chocolate cake that tastes bad and still isn't that good for you.

I've been trying to cook more myself lately. I just hope that I can keep it up once school starts! Now I'm living a little more "out in the boonies" than I was before; now McDonald's isn't quite so close. So I'm hoping that fast food being not so readily available will help me avoid it.

I agree with the ADD thing -- I lost weight after I was diagnosed. Part of that was the fact that the medications suppressed my appetite, but I think it helped me avoid the trap of eating because I'm bored and need something to do with my hands.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
The meds don't seem to do anything to my appetite. I'd read that they can cause nausea, but I take them at night right before I go to bed, and only twice in six months have I woken up sick to my stomach. I did find out accidentally that if I take them *before* I eat, I get sick to my stomach. :) which has come in handy on late nights when I want to snack even when I'm not hungry - if I take the meds at that point, I know I won't eat any more. :D

Thanks!

[identity profile] m00nface.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
You have no idea how liberating this is.

As of lately, I do. Something I've been meaning to talk about in my journal is my attempt over the last three months or thereabouts to separate food from guilt. I just decided that aiming for a BMI was distracting me, and that I wanted to find a way to eat as much like a normal person as possible without ballooning instantly. It was liberating instantly, no exaggeration. For the first time in years I felt comfortable eating cakes, breads, cheeses, you name it. Naturally, I put on a fair amount of weight over the next few weeks, but rather than changing what I was eating I reduced portion sizes to match my actual hunger levels and attempted to exercise more, and lost it all over the next few weeks.

Recently I decided to cut out sweets again, just for one week, to shed some pounds gained when my friend came to visit and I couldn't bike anywhere. By the end of the week I had lost less weight than I did when I was eating whatever I wanted but less of it and with more exercise. Sounds like common sense, but when you have the experience of losing a lot of weight based on changing what you eat, it's very hard to convince yourself to eat those foods again.

Nowadays I'm exercising whenever it's not raining, creating opportunities to use my bicycle or walking if need be, and eating only when hungry and stopping when full (I have now been known to throw away half the rice in a bento and put aside half a cream cake until later, things I'm not sure I could have done before). I will grab sweets if I want them, but it's no longer the craving-driven urge that I have to resist then be bothered by all evening after not buying them. I'm trying to train my body to be more content with less sugar, so I'll get smaller portions than I would before, but now my cravings are more or less dead for anything but chocolate I'm generally satisfied with less than before.

In other words, for the first time ever I'm eating like a normal person, neither sugar-driven nor sugar-restricted, and I'm loving it. I don't know where my food education went astray, but it feels like I've finally managed to straighten it out. The reason I've not been blogging about food, weight and body issues lately are that it just hasn't occurred to me to do so. That right there is a serious triumph, and indescribably liberating.

Now I will go and read the rest of your post. I've been following your progress all along (and am frequently humbled by how you're managing to take it seriously without letting it take over your life, and how great the results for it are proving to be) but I'm really looking forward to reading your insights now. Congratulations on 40lbs!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
:D Thank you! And good for you - sounds like you're finding your way, too. :) I don't remember if it was in the book I linked to in the reply to your other comment, or in another one I was reading, but I remember reading somewhere recently that research had found that one of the differences a lot of overweight people had from normal-weight people was that they lacked a really good sense of where their own line between "no longer hungry" and "full" was, and thus tended to eat until they were full or over-full, while the normal-weight people tended to eat until they were no longer hungry, instead of all the way to full. Which is a small but significant difference, I think.

I've done a good job about separating guilt from food when I'm in my apartment or with friends, but if I'm in the grocery store or in a restaurant by myself at lunch, I'm always paranoid that people are watching what I'm eating or putting in my cart and thinking that it's obviously why I'm fat. Nobody's ever said anything to me about it, but I'm always convinced they're about to. I remember reading on a Usenet newsgroup a decade ago a complaint by a woman who had been at a grocery store one morning buying a couple of huge hors d'oeurves trays for a function her office was holding that day, when a total stranger looked at her and told her that if she didn't eat all that, she wouldn't be fat. The person was obviously doubly an idiot, one for thinking that people eat those trays normally and once for being rude as hell, but it still made an impression on me.

I think that one of my ultimate goals is just to get to a size where I feel that I'm passing under the radar of those sorts of judgments. No telling where that is, though.

[identity profile] araminty.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
This post makes so much sense I want to cheer. I've been beating myself up over gaining a lot of weight due to hormonal stuff and eating next to nothing, and it's so not working - I don't lose anything, and I'm always tired. So I'm definitely going to take some of this advice on board. Thanks so much for posting it and congrats on losing awesome amounts of pounds!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D And yeah - maybe you're not eating enough, so it's running you down and making your metabolism slow down. (Or not drinking enough, or getting enough sleep, etc...) Certainly worth trying for a couple of weeks and seeing if it makes you feel better. :)
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[personal profile] oyceter 2007-07-10 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! I'm really impressed and thinking of doing something like this for myself too. How do you count your calories? I vaguely remember a website or something, but not quite. I think I tried that once before and got really confused by estimating the calories in non-packaged food and b/c the site didn't have a lot of food that I eat (random Asian stuff and etc.).

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-07-10 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm currently using CalorieKing.com - although they've just raised their subscription prices, right after I renewed for a year, and it's totally not worth it for the new amount of money. They've got a fairly large database, plus the ability to add your own foods. When making my own recipes that don't have anything like them in the CK database that I can use as an estimate, I go to http://www.nutritiondata.com/ and use their Pantry to work out the nutritional values.

www.sparkpeople.com has much the same stuff as CK, but is free. CK just opened an Australian branch of their website, www.calorieking.com.au, which is currently free although you might have to convince them you live in Australia. Most of the Asian foods in the database seem to be generic restaurant Asian, unfortunately. (I wonder if websearching in Chinese will find Chinese calorie guides/databases?) But at least the USDA National Nutrient Database (http://www.ars.usda.gov/Services/docs.htm?docid=8964) has a ton o'foods - you can download the database itself, or download software to search it.

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