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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2006-06-16 03:28 pm
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Fic tropes list version 1

Here's my preliminary cataloging of the fic tropes in [livejournal.com profile] rachelmanija's cool bits post. The categories are ... yuck, right now, as is my categorization, but when you're going through a list of over 500 elements, it's amazing how often you're confronted with something that is extrememly hard to decide if it's plot, character, dramatic imagery, sensation, or what. And for some reason I ended up slinging all the language stuff into 'sensation' when it doens't belong there at all. Hm. Thoughts and suggestions quite welcome.

http://www.sfolse.net/random/fic-tropes-1.html About 250K, because I did a simple Save As in Excel, rather than build the table myself. :D


Next logical step: add more of everything, then steal [livejournal.com profile] dragonscholar's generator code and make a Crack!Manga generator. *iz tempted*

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Eeee! So cool! I put up my own in a different post, by the way.

I think "writing" counts as a category, and I would also have categories for animals, fighting, food, clothing, bodies, and accessories, as all of those come up so often. Now you just need to combine the ones that got mentioned repeatedly, ie, I don't think "female assassins" and "cold female assassins" need separate categories. You could also do sub-types, ie, "Cold female assassins (4 votes); cold female assassins and the gentle men who love them (1 vote.)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I just saw yours.

Categories are slippery: one of the respondents told me that she meant horses specifically as characters, as in Black Beauty, rather than ... er, elements in the setting? - for want of a better word. Which is sort of why I put 'werewolves' in 'characters' as well - the thought that the werewolf in question would probably be treated as a character instead of some sort of background or setting element - Remus Lupin, as opposed to Fenrir Grayback, who is as of HP book 6 still mostly vague and backgroundy. Animals as background/setting would be more like the raptors in Hawkmistress, where they don't function as characters but are elements that support the characters and the actions. If that makes sense.

I've combined some things already; it's just hard to find them, especially when I've managed to sling them into two different categories. XD

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sure, wolves as the occasional howl heard at night beyond the campfire is a totally different element from a wolf companion.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
My favorite Google Ad in the LJ notification:

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Off home now, will ponder on the drive.

[identity profile] wordsofastory.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude. I totally would love a Crack!Manga generator.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-16 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The idea swum up after reading [livejournal.com profile] oyceter's attempt to construct a story involving all of her Cool BitsTM (http://oyceter.livejournal.com/447257.html), which reads exactly like a hit manga. XD

It would be hard to make the generator's narrative flow like that, but it could certainly come up with characters, setting, plot elements, theme, dramatic imagery, and so on and leave it to the reader to construct the narrative.
oyceter: man*ga [mahng' guh] n. Japanese comics. synonym: CRACK (manga is crack)

[personal profile] oyceter 2006-06-17 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, I am so, so tempted to go through everyone's Cool Bits (TM) and try to make something up. Just because doing mine was so fun and SO ON CRACK.
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[identity profile] umadoshi.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
This? Is really ambitious, and *really* cool. *cheers*

(Also, are you in immediate danger of running out of copies of Project Blue Rose?)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, yup. We'll see if my enthusiasm carries through in organizing this sheer mass of information.

(Not quite yet - there's about 10-12 copies available, I think. :D)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
I've bagged 'em all up, and after taking out the ones for Rachel, I've got six left. :D If you can Paypal tonight, it'll go out tomorrow. :D $9.99 ($7 + shipping) to sfolse at cepheid dot org, in that case. If you need to send a check or concealed cash, let me know & I'll get you my address. :)
ext_3743: (Rin hair undone (selphie))

[identity profile] umadoshi.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
. . . and then I went to sleep. Blah. Ah well--I'll send money anyway, and whenever it comes, it comes. *checks other post with ordering info* I'm in Canada, so I'm sending $12 via Paypal. ^^

Huh, that's handy--it still has your address from when I ordered BPAL.

Sent!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries - I'm checking email before I bother to get dressed go to the post office, so I've got it. :)
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[identity profile] umadoshi.livejournal.com 2006-06-17 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome, thanks! *^^*