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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2004-07-28 04:18 pm

Book recs?

OK, I figure there's a wide enough variety of people who read my journal one way or another that I might get some interesting responses to this.

I'm vaguely working on a comic project that's set in a neo-Victorian/Edwardian wonky world -- 'vageuly' meaning I've got the three characters that showe dup when I was doodling that I've linked to earlier in this journal, and a few vague ideas for setting knocking about my brain, but nothing has really jelled yet.

So -- I"m looking for recommendations for books, comics, art, movies, and whatnot that you think fits the parameter of "Victorian/Edwardian weird," either period or modern, I don't care. I wish I could be more specific, but I can't really pin down what it is I'm talking about - even 'Victorian' and 'Edwardian' don't do more than describe a vague flavor. The book The Thackery T Lambshead Pocket Guide to Eccentric & Discredited Diseases - which I gleefully recommend to all of you - is a perfect example. As is the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics - [livejournal.com profile] ebony14, I may be asking to borrow yours. :) Maybe H. Rider Haggard, too, since I haven't read any of him - I'm looking in part for the sort of world where you'd get retired British colonels sitting around the fireside telling tall tales about their hair-raising exploits with savages and cannibals in the depths of Africa, and where'd you'd get languid Bohemians lounging around in opium dens and drinking absinthe in Parisian bars and cafes.

There's probably some elements of steampunk in the world taking shape in my head, too, so steampunk would work, in the Castle Falkenstein mode. I also just spent a happy half hour downloading pictures of the Japanese Visual Kei band Malice Mizer, because the Elegant Gothic Lolita look is a part of it, and I'm going to raid my mother's bookshelves for Georgette Heyer and P.G. Wodehouse when I'm home this week because the rather-ceremonial world of the British upper class is central to bits of it -- and parts of this thing extend up into the 1920s and 30s in the Bohemian set.

So, I know that's rather vague and broad, but I'm looking for vague and broad because I'm planning on stuffing my head full of these bits and pieces over the next few weeks to see what pops out, because I've got these three characters and a sort of late-19th-century city with a very large city of the dead nearby, and there's no real framework yet on which to hang them.

Ah. Thunder. I should get off the computer now; the wiring in this complex tends to be wonky during storms.

[identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Comme Il Faut (http://tundra-sales-org.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TTP&Product_Code=CF6011&Category_Code=CFK) is the best Castle Falkenstein book for what you're trying to do IMHO. It concentrates on the social manners of the period. There's a GURPS book for steampunk (http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/steampunk/) as well. For fiction, The Difference Engine (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/055329461X/qid=1091051156/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-3671518-2386321) is the best steampunk novel I've seen. Let me know if you'd like to borrow our copies.

[identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Telo, if you want a copy of The Difference Engine, I'll give you mine: Gibson and Sterling give me kidney stones these days, and I'm clearing out a lot of junque from my book collection. Use it in good health.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
:) Sure, why not?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah - thanks! Those might come in handy. I think I might take up [livejournal.com profile] sclerotic_rings on his offer for The Difference Engine, but the CF sourcebooks would be great to borrow.

[identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, drop me or [livejournal.com profile] celticdragonfly an email and you can come pick them up sometime. Plus you can look through the Girl Genius collection, but they're too precious to leave the house . . . precious comics they are, yes, precious.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
:D I fully understand.

I'm heading out of town for a week at the moment, but I shall do my best to remember your kind offer and contact you when I get back.

[identity profile] celticdragonfly.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Studio Foglio, Girl Genius.
http://www.studiofoglio.com/girlgenius.html

I HEAVILY recommend it.

And yes, Heyer is great, although it's Georgian and Regency.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd heard vaguely of Girl Genius before, now's a perfect excuse to go find out more. :) Thanks!

What I'm thinking of in Heyer, even though it's earlier than the broad period I'm looking at, is that sense of formality and ceremony in the British upper classes that lasted right through into the 20th century (and then got lampooned mercilessly by Wodehouse. Plus, y'know, any excuse to read it. :) My mom's got a bunch of the books on audiotape, and I listen to a lot of books-on-tape when doing art or cleaning fossils and such, so I shall plunder her collection.

[identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Weeeeel, you might want to talk to [livejournal.com profile] ratmmjess, seeing as how he's the expert, but you'd obviously want to start with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and H.G. Wells. Go for The Invisible Man or any of Wells' short stories for a start; for more contemporarily-written material, take a peek at K.W. Jeter's Infernal Devices or Morlock Night. Now, if you need any Victorian science material, let me know: I can give you a list as long as your arm.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
*makes notes*

As far as Victorian science - why the heck not? I don't know what direction this thing is going to want to take, and Victorian science stuff may well come in handy.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I just went to [livejournal.com profile] ratmmjess's Fantastic Victoriana Website, and it looks great! *bookmarks*

[identity profile] longshot14.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Wilde. Wilde Wilde Wilde Wilde Wilde. *Lots* and lots of Wilde :)

"Never speak disrespectfully of society, Algernon. Only people who can't get into it do that." ;)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes ... WIldean snarkiness works wonderfully. *makes note*

[identity profile] longshot14.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Aside from that, the only recommendation I can give that hasn't already been given is a kinda pulpy novel by Barbara Hambly called "Those Who Hunt The Night".

If you want video, I'll recommend _Tipping the Velvet_ which was a 3-part BBC miniseries about Victorian lesbians - yes, that's the Bonnie in me talking ;)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
:) That might work, actually. Little-known Victorian subcultures would fit right in, I think.

WHich reminds me - I've got this *wonderful* book of photographs called something like "Women in Pants" which is a book of vintage photos full of ... women in pants. Some of them are obviously lesbians and 'serious' cross-dressers, and others are sorority pranks and party things (fake weddings were all the rage for a while, apparently), others are working women who wore pants to make the job easier, and others are just ... women who wore pants, for whatever reason.

[identity profile] mothoc.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Try some adolescent literature. Specifically, the Lemony Snicket stuff (A Series of Unfortunate Events), and the Edge Chronicles (out for a while in England, just now appearing on US shores). They both have a very Victorian feel, if not actually Victorian.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-28 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes, forgot about Lemony Snicket! I've got most of the books (I may be 1 or 2 behind at the moment); I'll re-read them. I hadn't run across the Edge Chronicles, so I'll check them out.

Actually there's faint echoes in Mary Poppins, of all things, too -- the turn-of-the-centruy ambience and the idea that what we think of as Reality is really just this thin cover hiding the deeply inexplicable. I wonder if the Green Knowe books fit the bill as well? It's been dog's years since I read them, and, well, any excuse for reading them is good, IMHO.

I'll have to dig up the Gormenghast books, too. I haven't read them in years and years, and there's elements of that sort of thing in part of this idea, too. *makes list* Oh - and Lewis Carroll, too. Duh. :)

[identity profile] espion.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
I wish I could help you out. heh, I can tell you the indications for abdominal aortic aneurysm repair...

The only reason I commented really, is because my cousin named his 2nd son Fitzgerald Wodehouse Wilson. They call him "Fritz," and of course, the "Wodehouse" is from their favorite author...

[identity profile] espion.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I have the Gormenghast books lying around...I really need to dive in one of these days...

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
:D If I were a boy, I would have been named "Eliot Porter Folse" after my dad's favorite photographer. I think maybe being born female saved me from many years of getting beat up for being named "Eliot."

I'm glad you commented though, because every time I see my copy of The Thackery T Lambshead Pocket Guide to Eccentric & Discredited Diseases (http://www.lambsheadguide.com/), I think, "I should recommend that to [livejournal.com profile] espion because she might get a kick out of it." It's basically a collection of entries on strange diseases by various SF, fantasy, and horror writers, all told in a sort of ... er, pseudo-Victorian tone (not really, but I can't define it better than that). My current favorite disease from it is Fungal Disenchantment. :)

[identity profile] espion.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
I checked out the link, and I'm totally going to get that book. I had to shut down the internet to prevent myself from reading every single excerpt instead of reading critical care medicine like I should be doing right now.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2004-07-29 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Once you get it, you'll have to let me know if you find yourself seriously thinking about things like Ballistic Organ Syndrome or Figurative Synaesthesia during diagnosis. :)