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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2019-09-23 12:13 pm
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On the subject of Italy

When [personal profile] myrialux and I were in Italy, we discovered that weather which had us in light jackets, open to catch the breeze, had Italians bundled up in puffy jackets, with scarves wrapped up to their noses, and big fuzzy hats pulled down low. Back home, a bit of web-searching revealed that it's a cultural Italian thing--colpo d'aria, a fear of moving air bringing illness.

I was just now reading part of a website that chronicled a Welsh couple's horse-packing journey from Wales to Jordan, part of which was through Northern Italy, and it seems that the colpo d'aria extends to horses, too. At one stop:
At another place, we experienced more contrasts between our life with our horses and that of our hosts. It was a huge farm building with a small jumping arena outside and one small paddock. Every other bit of land around was used for growing rice, right up to the edge of the buildings. Inside, there were forty horses living in boxes. We asked if our horses could be outside for the night. “Of course, no problem, you can put them in the paddock. But will they be warm enough? What if it rains?” As we watched the sun go down, still wearing t-shirts because it was so warm, two women in the courtyard discussed whether or not to close the top door on a stabled horse wearing a padded rug. They closed the door. We sensed here, and at a few other places in Italy, that some people thought we were being hard on our horses, keeping them outside, but at least they had space, company & fresh air and are rugged up if needs be.
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[personal profile] jenett 2019-09-23 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's fascinating. And the different customs.

(I mean, that's mild climate for Welsh beasties. But then I come from the sort of horsiness that means that my pony looked like a teddy bear in the winter, because she was a scaled down draft horse basically, and grew fur like no one's business. Which one regrets come spring, but you can't have everything.)

They didn't stable outside (everyone came in at night) but basically the horses went out in the day time mostly without rugs (except for the retired racing thoroughbreds not bred for New England climes) and except in really bad storms, the top half of the stall door would be open all night.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2019-09-23 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it's not just Italian. You've never traveled on a stuffy, sweltering German or Swiss train with some bundled-up pensioner screeching "ES ZIEHT!!!!" at you for opening a window! Stereotypically Germans are picky about "drafts."
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[personal profile] jenett 2019-09-23 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I spent a summer in Tuscany (just outside Siena) in college working on an archaeological dig, and ... yeah, there were definitely some interesting quirks.

The place we were staying was a longstanding Italian countship that had intermarried with Americans, so they were better about explaining some of the cultural things than other places might have. Some of it was counter-intuitive to us but sensible once you saw how it worked (some of the food patterns, and the instruction in the sequencing of opening and closing shutters.) And some of it was sort of mysterious, like the previous method for having a hot shower (they had just replaced the wood-burning tank with an electric one the year before, but apparently before that it was more on the order of "build a fire to exact specifications and come back 22 minutes later, perform the correct sequence of levers, and then get four minutes of hot water"

Which makes one wonder how much of that kind of thing is 'this thing works, let's not risk it stopping."
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[personal profile] conuly 2019-09-23 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Still not as crazy as the Korean idea of "fan death" or the amazingly widespread concept that sitting down on the ground will permanently damage your uterus.
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[personal profile] sholio 2019-09-23 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, this is really fascinating to me because one of the Germans on my reading list had a discussion a winter or two ago about opening windows in the winter, and she was baffled that Americans don't; she said Germans find it unhealthy to leave the windows closed all winter and open them for a few minutes every day to get fresh air, even in very cold weather. XD

Different customs for different places, maybe? Or perhaps an age thing?
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2019-09-23 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I would 100% expect this to be age-related. Older people remember when drafts were a sign that the house would drop below freezing if not kept tightly sealed!
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-09-24 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Koreans believe that houses should have windows open at least part of every day even in the winter to get fresh air. Especially bathrooms. I was so baffled when I moved back to the US and the bathrooms in apartments didn't have openable windows sometimes.

Of course, Koreans also believe in fan death. My sister and I tried to argue for AGES against our parents that no, running an electric fan in a closed room had never killed us, but they were adamant that this was VERY DANGEROUS.
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-09-24 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Oh God, you beat me to the mention. I spent half my childhood in South Korea and my parents (who are Korean) were ADAMANT that running an electric fan in a closed room would kill us. My sister and I would do it anyway, and they would be APPALLED AT THE DANGER. It was so wacky!
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[personal profile] conuly 2019-09-24 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Not that the rest of the world doesn't have its wacky counterfactual health hangups, but fan death has always seemed especially odd.
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-09-24 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
I won't argue! Wikipedia seems to not be entirely sure where the superstition came from. I have always been baffled by it. :p
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-09-24 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I KNOW! He's a f*cking surgeon! Who did his internship and residency in the USA!

I didn't ask him, but I remember my mom earnestly explaining to me that the fan would somehow something something carbon monoxide buildup something something suffocation something something. It never ever happened. I HAVE EMPIRICALLY TESTED IT AND EMERGED ALIVE.
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2019-09-24 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
It sounds pretty similar to the French "coup de froid" ("cold hit"), including the part about not leaving the house with wet hair.