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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2005-09-19 10:07 pm

Recs for fantasy novels?

I haven't been buying book books for so long that I for once am not conversant with a lot of the recent books. You used to be able to mention any fantasy published in the last five years and I'd either have read it or read the back of the book and rejected it, but that's no longer the case. However lately I've been in the mood for fantasy. Quest novels, coming-of-age novels, whatever. And I'm looking for recommendations in the area of fantasy, either adult or YA.

Things that make me love a book:

-- Characters. I really really want good characterization and fascinating characters in my fiction.

-- Er .... characters, again. Don't think there's any serious other thing that's common to most of the books I've liked.

-- If there's a girl disguising herself as a boy in it, I'll usually give it a try - that's been a favorite (theme? genre? trope?) since I was a kid. I have no idea why.

Things that make me view a book skeptically:

-- Elves that are just humans with pointy ears and attitudes.

-- Fantasy novels meant to be humorous, when it's not Terry Pratchett. Love Pratchett to death. Can't stand Peter David's Sir Apropos of Nothing, or Craig Shaw Gardner, or John Moore's The Unhandsome Prince. If there is humor in the book, good, but not anything that attempts to compare itself to Pratchett on the cover and is full of the author is yelling "LOOK!! ISN'T THIS FUNNY?? SEE! I AM TAKING A FAIRY-TALE TROPE AND TURNING IT INSIDE OUT!! AND MAKING A HUMOROUS COMMENT ON MODERN SOCIETY WHILE I AM DOING IT!!" Story over humor, please.

-- Arthurian. I read tons of Arthuriana when I was a kid and into my teens, then totally burned out on it. ([livejournal.com profile] eegatland, I'm about halfway through The Winter Prince, and I love Medraut to death - the darker characters are my faves XD - it's just ... Arthurian. But you'll be happy to know that this is what kick-started my recent realism thing with the art ... while I don't see it as pure realism, there's a picture starting to form inside my head that isn't cartoony, either. XD No telling when it'll come out or what it'll look like when it does, though.)

-- Talking animals unless done really well and snuck into the book when I wasn't looking.

-- Dragons and unicorns. Burned out, for much the same reason as Arthuriana.

-- Great long epics with a million different characters in them. I like my books a bit more intimate usually, although I've been known to enjoy the occasional epic. "Occasional" being the key term.

-- A magic system suspiciously close to modern Neo-Pagan practice

-- A magic system broken down to logical steps, or with the appearance of logical steps. It's magic! It's not physics!

-- Character from our world going into a fantasy world (see Arthuriana and dragons)

-- Native American themes, for some reason. Maybe it's a hazard of having trained in anthropology or something, but I have a hard time reading things like Charles de Lint, when he uses Native American beliefs and spirits and blends them with Celtic tradition, and when other authors appropriate it. On the other side, I have absolutely no problem with doing it with Asian beliefs, so I'm a wee bit hypocritical, but it probably has something to do with anthropology, because we studied a lot of Native American things and very little from elsewhere in the world.

Books I love to hate:

-- Mercedes Lackey. Drives me up a wall, but I check her books out of the library (not going to spend money on them, thank you) when I need a good book to metaphorically throw against the wall and scream "I COULD DO BETTER THAN THAT!!" It's a guilty pleasure.

Anyway, to give you an idea of what I've read and liked:

-- Glen Cook's Black Company series (but not the Adjective Metal Noun or, I fear, his most recent Instrumentality of the Night series)
-- Tanith Lee in mid-career - the one published about the time of the Flat Earth series, but not her earliest or more recent ones.
-- Tamora Pierce
-- JK Rowling
-- Lois McMaster Bujold's fantasies
-- Garth Nix
-- Kij Johnson's Fudoki and The Fox Woman
-- Kage Baker's fantasy novel Anvil of the World
-- James Stoddard's The High House and The False House
-- Jeanne Larsen's Chinese fantasies - Bronze Mirror, Silk Road, and whatever the other one was
-- Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds trilogy


So, have at it. Suggest away. I figure I'll probably have read a lot of what people suggest, but I can't list everything I've read. :) Feel free to ask questions or whatnot.

[identity profile] tekenduis.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read the George R.R. Martin series "A Song of Ice and Fire"? It's quite tasty. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
I got about halfway through the first book, the I ran into the "large epic with lots of characters" problem. Enough people love the series that someday when I feel I can face them again, I'll give 'em another try. :)

I think it's because I like spending enough time with just a few people to really know them, and when there's so many, I never get more than a slight acquaintance with them.

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[identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Steven Brust. Emma Bull. Jonathan Carroll (sometimes shelved in mainstream, but generally we know better). Suzy McKee Charnas's YAs. [livejournal.com profile] pameladean. Diane Duane. Minister Faust. John M. Ford. Mary Gentle (not Grunts). Lisa Goldstein. Lian Hearn. Diana Wynne Jones. Gwyneth Jones. Graham Joyce. [livejournal.com profile] pegkerr. [livejournal.com profile] naomikritzer. Ellen Kushner (with or without Delia Sherman). [livejournal.com profile] truepenny. Tim Powers (and a tiny bit of James Blaylock if you like that). Matt Ruff (although only Fool on the Hill is fantasy). Will Shetterly. Johanna Sinisalo. Caroline Stevermer (with or without Pat Wrede). Sean Stewart. [livejournal.com profile] papersky.

This is what comes of having a "books read" list I can sort by genre.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
Cool, thanks! I've read about half of those writers - should have put Brust and DWJones up as two of those I love :D - but the other half are either new to me or ones I know the name and haven't picked up the books.

I have really tried to read [livejournal.com profile] papersky's books - I own three of them - but I get about halfway through and then bounce off - I don't get a really good connection with the characters, I think. (and every so often I wander over to her LJ and read about whatever she's writing at the time and think "I've got to try that one whan it comes out! It sounds great!"

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[identity profile] cicer.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
Okay. You asked for it. *cracks knuckles*

I'm a big fan of the short story compilations between Ellen Daltow and Terry Windling. Most of the short stories are variations on fairy tales, and they're all extremely well done. I love Silver Birch, Blood Moon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380786222/qid=1127186115/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books&n=507846), Snow White, Blood Red (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380718758/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/102-4568194-5766501?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance), Black Heart, Ivory Bones (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380786230/qid=1127186301/sr=1-16/ref=sr_1_16/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books), and Ruby Slippers, Golden Tears (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380778726/qid=1127186301/sr=1-19/ref=sr_1_19/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books). Really, I can't pimp these books out hard enough. They're exceptional.

White as Snow (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312875495/ref=pd_sim_b_1/102-4568194-5766501?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance) by Tanith Lee is also very good. I'm actually not a big fan of her writing, but this is quite a nice book, and very well-written. A different take of the Snow White story.

I like Francesca Lia Block's stuff, though she has a very unique writing style that not everyone enjoys. I particularly like Echo (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0064407446/qid=1127186515/sr=1-12/ref=sr_1_12/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books), because it really takes you through a lot of the main character's experiences so you can see her grow and change, and watch everything come to a full circle.

Anything Neil Gaiman, obviously. Nearly everybody and their grandma had read his stuff, but I love Stardust (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060934719/qid=1127186699/sr=1-11/ref=sr_1_11/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books), Smoke and Mirrors (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060934700/qid=1127186662/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books), and The Sandman: Endless Nights (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1401200893/qid=1127186718/sr=1-28/ref=sr_1_28/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books) more than words can express.

Till We Have Faces (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0156904365/qid=1127186786/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-4568194-5766501?v=glance&s=books) by C.S. Lewis is one of my all-time favorite books, if not my very favorite. There's really no way to describe this book. It's brilliant, period. It's a retelling of the Greek myth of Psyche, but not by Psyche herself. Instead it's told by her half-sister. It's fascinating and heartbreaking, and I love it to death. *pimps*

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read Block or that particular Lewis book, thanks. :) (Read the others, and liked them a lot, so that makes me feel quite positive about the Block and Lewis suggestions.)

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[identity profile] rilina.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
You may have read these already, as they're older books that have recently been reissued, but how about Lloyd Alexander's Westmark trilogy (Westmark; The Kestrel; The Beggar Queen)? All three are good, but the second one ate my brain in middle school and I've never looked back. It's my favorite YA war novel of all time. And the characters are excellent.

I adore Brust's Taltos books, but I feel you have to get a couple books into the series to get the full character payoff. But the snark is lovely.

I've just read Sean Stewart's Resurrection Man, which I thought was very good.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I'm not sure I ever read the Westmark trilogy. I've read others of his, sure. It may ahe been when I was much younger and I just don't remember them, but I'm certainly willing to reread. :)

Read Brust. I've read a couple of Stewart, but not RM. I liked the others, so RM is probably worth a try. Thanks!

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[identity profile] janni.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Susan Vaught's Stormwitch is one of my favorite discoveries of the year.

Other recent YAs worth checking out: Scott Westerfeld's Midnighters, Justine Larbelestier's Magic or Madness, [livejournal.com profile] blackholly's Valiant.

Oh, and anything by Diana Wynne Jones. Though I suspect her work probably falls into the love-it-or-hate-it category.

And--if you want to see what others do with Merecedes Lackey's world, there's a new shared world anthology, Crossroads and Other Tales of Valdemar due out in December. (Necessary disclaimer: I'm aware of the pub date because I have a story in it.)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
I've got a love-love-hate-love relationship with DWJ, for the most part - I cna be about 75% sure that any of hers I pick up I'll love. I haven't read any of the others you mention, cool. :)

And having a story by someone I know, even if only for internet values of "know," makes it worth buying. Although I may order from Amazon so as not to face a bookstore clerk with it in hand. XD

[identity profile] marith.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Well, of course C.E. Murphy's Urban Shaman and Sarah Monette's Melusine :) Otherwise, hm.

How d'you feel about Patricia McKillip? Robin McKinley? Ellen Kushner?

Jonathan Carroll's Bones of the Moon. His fantasy often verges on horror and creeps me out too much, but this one and Sleeping in Flame are my favorites. (If you've read Gaiman's Sandman, there are definite echoes between Bones and the A Game of You storyline.)

Um. What else? Everyone says I should be reading the book about Jonathan Norrell and Mr. Strange, and they probably say it to you too. The Golden Compass rocked on toast although I didn't like the sequels as much. Ellen Kushner's Swordspoint. Pamela Dean's Juniper, Gentian and Rosemary has a strangely diffuse plot but I enjoyed it too much to mind.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Have not read Murphy or Monette. McKillip - often quite good, McKinley also. Kushner - I keep wanting to like them, but never quite make that essential connection to the characters. I ahvne't read Carroll. I own Jonathan Norrell and Mr. Strange but havne't got very far in because it requires long uninterrupted reading times, and I've really only been able to do 15- or 20-minute snatches at a time recently. Your reviews of The Golden Compass and the Dean are pretty much like mine. :)

(Anonymous) 2005-09-20 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
You mention Bujold's fantasies, if you haven't read her Vorkosigan novels, I should smack you. Me, I'm the ultimate Pratchett fanboy tho. So, in that vein I'll suggest some other British authors who are, typically, impossible to find in America. We like our Amazon.Co.UK, we do.

Robert Rankin is one of the few comedic fantasy authors people don't compare to Pratchett. Mostly, because other than "comedic" and "fantasy", there's little to compare. I've read a couple, and ran out of steam. I'm spoiled by the depth in Pratchett's stuff. It's funny, more so, it's clever, but that's about as far as it goes.

Tom Holt is another good one. I've only read read one of his so far, but it's good stuff. Better than Rankin, maybe closer to Pratchett.

If you've any eye towards mysteries, I'd recommend Donald Westlake's Dortmunder books, or Richard Stark's Parker novels (oddly, both authors are the same man). There's also Carl Hiaasen, who, I'm pretty sure, is a seperate individual. I'd never read mysteries before this bunch, and the only reason I picked them up was on recommendation. From Terry Pratchett. Yes, I'm a fanboy.

-bink

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Bink, dude, I was one of the very first people on the Bujold mailing list, back in 1994. XD The eccentric Lord Vorfolse was named after me! Well, not me, but LMB was lurking on the list at the time and needed an unusual name and asked if she could use it. OMG OF COURSE YOU CAN!!

I've read some Holt - I really like his historical comedies, actually. Haven't read the Westlake or Stark books, but I do read mysteries, so I'll keep 'em in mind. I've read about five or so Hiaasens and then got a bit burned out, but ti's been about 5 years or so, so I should probably give the ones I ahvne't read yet a try.

Thanks!

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[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
YA fantasy i can do, since i've been reading a fair bit of that myself.

pamela dean, the secret country, the hidden land, and the whim of the dragon (trilogy) -- or really, anything by her. i like them all, and wish they'd all come back into print.

diane duane, the book of night with moon. it has talking animals, but trust me, it's worth it.

diana wynne jones, hexwood. complex plot with completely unexpected turns, and it just struck me as ... beautiful.

c.j. cherryh, rider at the gate and cloud's rider (this is an odd crossover of sf/fantasy/a little bit horror; very dark, but also very much more than the usual wish fulfillment of special teenager bonding with special animal).

philip pullman, the golden compass, the subtle knife, and the amber spyglass; call "his dark materials" trilogy.

will shetterly, dogland. amazing slice of strange southern life.

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[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I read that first Dean you list yearsandyears ago, and liked it, but never read the sequels. I should maybe pick them up again. Haven't read that Duane, but have read the DWJ. I want to say I started Rider at the Gate, but I'm not sure. I've read the first two of the Pullman (liked the first, the second was OK, enver got into the 3rd), and the Shetterly - liked Shetterly a lot.

Cool, thanks. :)

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[identity profile] wildelamassu.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
Given your preferences, I was about to recommend those YA Tamora Pierce books with the lady knight and then hit the big wall of Already On the List.

You've probably read more Vonnegut than I have, but Sirens of the Titan and Cat's Cradle are both exemplary works from his collection. Bonus literary merit!

Connie Willis' To Say Nothing of the Dog is a hilarious, terribly British time travel novel in the 'comedy of errors' style of Wodehouse and Jerome K. Jerome. It's one of the few comfort books from the SF genre that cram into my tiny studio at college. God is in the details. So are cats.

I rather liked two of Tanya Huff's books--Fifth Quarter and No Quarter, a surprisingly philosophical little duo about an assassin, her brother, and the snarky young man who possesses him. I'd recommend that you stay away from the other books in that series, though she has a SF/mystery series out that I remember liking as well.

Melanie Rawn does decent, if sprawling, political fantasy, with shiny Michael Whelan cover art.

Don't pick up Terry Goodkind unless you want The Fountainhead with more magic.

I adored Lackey and McCaffrey as an angsty preteen, then graduated to adoring Robert Jordan as an angsty high school student. O, such sordid confessions as these!

[identity profile] wildelamassu.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
You asked for fantasy recs. Just ignore the first two and my inability to read.

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[identity profile] ninjashira.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
One book I just read that I really really loved that seems to fit most of your criteria is Stephen King's Eye of the Dragon. It's NOT about a dragon. And it does NOT read like a Stephen King book. It reads like a fairy tale. And the characters are really complex in my opinion. I had a friend recommend it to me, and I loved it, and my madre loved it (and she hates Stephen King).

I would recommend Tad Williams' Otherworld, but there are so many characters to keep track of and so many things going on at once... It's really confusing the first time you read it through. I had to read it twice to really understand everything, and still, the first book is really slow... But towards the end of the book, it really makes it worth the read.

L.E. Modesitt's The Spellsong Cycle is one of my favorite series, where singing is the equivalent of magic in the world. There's a lot to do with politics and stuff, but that doesn't make up the majority of the books. They're really good until the third one. Then the fourth one kills the series with the first paragraph. I read the first page of the fourth book and then traded it in at a used book store.

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I read the King, and liked it quite a lot. Havne't read the Williams or Modesitt, thanks!

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[identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
I like Orson Scott Card's work, and, actually I know his fantasy work better than his Ender's Game series. Try Enchantment- it's got an awesome characterization of Yaga Baba and mixes the Sleeping Beauty legend with Russian fairy tales.

There's also the His Dark Materials saga by Pullman. It's got polar bears in armor! What else do you need to love?

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I liked Hart's Hope a lot and found it wrenching, with an unusual but eminently penetrable and rewarding narrative structure. It doesn't pull punches, and the internal mythology of the world is something I love, although I don't know if it draws upon things that would bother you.

Also, [livejournal.com profile] telophase, how triggery do you find religion/C.S. Lewis refutation? That's the main warning I'd give for Pullman. (I also thiink the third book is rather weaker, but that's for another time.)

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End of nit-picking; on to my own recs!

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Megan Lindholm's Ki and Vandien books. These are, alas, out of print, but I think you can order them from amazon.uk. They are very small-scale fantasies set in a very unusual fantasy world with lots of alien races, about a sensible ex-Gypsy teamster, Ki, and her companion, the wild man and swordfighter Vandien, who is probably the fantasy man I would most want to marry. They are Harpy's Fight, The Windsingers, The Limbreth Gate, and Luck of the Wheels.

A bunch of Barbara Hambly's books. Some of the ones you would like best involve some of the tropes you don't like, but I am convinced you would like them anyway. They are small-scale, with great characters, and very very smart. She is an uneven writer, so don't pick up her books randomly. You would like:

Dragonsbane. A village witch and her bookish husband, long since married and settled down, get called out of retirement because they're the only people who've ever slain a dragon. This is a great stand-alone. Pretend the sequels don't exist.

The Darwath series: The Time of the Dark, The Walls of the Air, The Armies of Daylight; then there's two more books, but the first trilogy reads as a unit. Yes, it's a grad student in history and a biker who get sucked into a world beseiged by flying Lovecraftian critters, but it's GREAT.

The Windrose series: The Secret Tower and The Silicon Mage plus associated books. Also people from our world sucked into a fantasy world, but it's so smart and the characters are fabulous.



Re: End of nit-picking; on to my own recs!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I've read Dragonsbane, but not the others. Cool. :)

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
*cough* It probably trips a bunch of your dislikes but I very much like the Dragera books by Stephen Brust?

Also, if you can get it, Marion Zimmer Bradley's 'Lythande' is a great collection of fantasy short stories about her Thieves' World character Lythande. A female who must disguise herself as a male or risk having her magic broken? (And now I am nostalgic for thieves' world books again!)

[identity profile] kittikattie.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing you read the Alanna series then.

Im a OMG SQUEE fan of retold fairy tales, so much that I'm doing it myself on four different stories. Some of the ones I've fawned over recently are:

Peter and the Starcatchers by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson. It's basically a prequel to Peter Pan.
Ella Enchanted by Gail Carson Levine. I like a lot of her books, actually espeically her fairy stories.
East by Edith Pattou. A retelling of "East of the Sun and West of the Moon."
Snow White and Rose Red by Patricia C. Wrede. A little heavy on the fantasy. I also like her Enchanted Forest Chronicles.

Also throwing in the Block love.

No, I'm still not asleep

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
I bet you would love Rosemary Kirstein. Her first two books are collected as The Steerswoman's Road. Steerswomen are a guild of knowledge-seekers. They will answer any question to the best of their knowledge, but if you don't answer their questions honestly no Steerswoman will ever speak to you again. The characters are great, and the plot is extremely unusual and clever, and that's about all I can say about that.

This is a comic, and it's brilliant sf, or maybe fantasy; it's hard to tell. I read Talisman at Mely's place:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/coffee_and_ink/438676.html

Sorcery and Cecilia by Patricia Wrede and Caroline Stevermer, is a charming, funny epistolatory fantasy about teenage girls in Regency-with-magic.

Caught in Crystal, by Patricia Wrede, is a nice small-scale fantasy in which a retired swordfighter and mother of two gets called up to save the world again, with her kids tagging along.

The Dido Twite series by Joan Aiken. Very funny, very strange, very well-written series about an extremely competent girl in alternate England. I'd start with Nightbirds in Nantucket, which involves skullduggery and a pink whale. Some of them have more overt fantasy elements than others.

How much by Ursula K. LeGuin have you read? She's written a lot, and it's very varied in tone. I love the Earthsea books, and an odd, very small-scale and psychological book called The Beginning Place, which has some of your pet peeves but which you might like anyway.

Patrice Kindl's Owl in Love, about an owl who can turn into a girl and is in love with her science teacher, Mr. Lindstrom, is the most charming thing ever.

Meredith Ann Pierce's gorgeous The Darkangel and A Gathering of Gargoyles is reminiscent of some Tanith Lee, but better. It's set on a transformed moon, is very fairy-tale-like, and full of dream-logic.

Michael Swanwick's The Iron Dragon's Daughter has dragons and elves and turns them all inside out. It's wonderfully well-written and incredibly dark.

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[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I've read Sorcery and Cecelia, Mairelon the Magician, and The Grand Tour - liked the first two in the list a lot, but felt distanced from the third.

I've read at the Dido Twite series as a kid and teen, and except for The Wolves of Willoughby Chase pretty much bounced off every one, but it may have been because at the time I couldn't ever tell what was going on in any of the books. I'll probably have to give them another try.

I've read bits and pieces of LeGuin - the Earthsea books, and I read The Beginning Place as a kid, but didn't like it much. Can't remember why since I don't remember any of it. I may have been too young for it (or, heck, maybe my pet peeves were in place then XD).

I've read Pierce's Darkangel trilogy and adored it.
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[personal profile] ymfaery 2005-09-20 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
Which of the Diane Duane books have you read? It seems her "Door into..." series and her one-shots are her least known books.

Have you tried David Eddings' Belgariad and Mallorean series? They're connected, and contain I think 10 books total. Or maybe more than that--forgot how many "supplementary" books were released after the Mallorean series.

There's also Raymond E. Feist, although some of his middle books were a little uneven. I'd try the Riftwar Saga books first, and then if you liked them, cautiously try the different sequels/concurrent stories. The "...of the Empire" books he did with Jenny Wurtz (I think) had a really strong Asian/Japanese slant.

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[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Duane's "Door" books are great. I recommend them. I don't think you'd like Feist, as he's a writer of great big epics. As for Eddings, let me dig up an old usenet post I made on the subject:

There's nothing more vicious than love turned to hate. It has driven
exes to deposit haddocks in safe deposit boxes, to steal their former
beloveds' cable boxes, to write thinly disguised memoirs featuring
unflattering portraits of their former spouses, and worse. It has
prompted many of the responses in the Spider Robinson thread. It has
prompted me to make this post.

THE BELGARIAD. A great big quintology about a farm boy who learns
that he is really the heir to the throne and possesses tremendous
magical power. Naturally, he must claim the throne, start a war, and
quest across the country to stop a dark lord from doing bad stuff. He
is accompanied by many colorful companions from various countries,
most of whom are stereotyped examples of their cultures: ie, all
Tolnedrans are savvy and greedy, all Ulgos are fanatically religious,
all the horse-nomad people are austere and bloodthirsty in a noble
way, etc.

THE MALLOREAN. A time loop causes the events of the Belgariad to occur
all over again, to mostly the same people. This is not my sarcastic
way of implying that THE MALLOREAN is a scene-by-scene retread of THE
BELGARIAD. It is actually explained in the text that this is what's
going on. The audacity of this excuse to write the same quintology
twice leaves me breathless.

Eddings has written other books, which I have avoided like the plague
I suspect them to be. My comments below refer only to the quintologies
mentioned above.

When people refer to "extruded fantasy product," this is the sort of
thing they're talking about. It doesn't mean that it's utterly without
redeeming value, but that it is mostly or entirely unoriginal and
inspired by the work of others (usually Tolkien); that it possesses
many stereotyped and cliched characters, occurrances, and themes; and
that it has a (subjective, of course) cranked-out feel to it.

I will credit Eddings for telling a lively story, which captivated me
when I was sixteen and less critical. However, the flaws in his
writing make him unreadable to me now.


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[identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
P C Hodgell. You didn't react to my To Ride a Rathorn post, so apparently you're unfamiliar with her Jame books. Run out and read them. NOW!

Patrice Kindl's Owl in Love and The Woman in the Wall, although most people on RASFW were fonder of the former than the latter. I'm not so crazy about her later books.

(A quick DejaGoogle didn't turn up "folse" or "sfolse" in connection with Hodgell or Kindl, so hopefully they are new to you, in which case I envy you.)

I've heard good things about Jane Lindskold, but have not actually read any of her solo efforts. I believe some of them are fantasies, but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

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[identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
pamela dean [...] anything by her. i like them all, and wish they'd all come back into print.

So far, most already are or will be back in print. Yay!

I liked the first two of His Dark Materials, but thought the third was deeply disappointing because he couldn't figure out how to get out of the corner he had painted himself into. I forget the funny person who said it looked Pullman had actually thrown down the brushes and stomped away from that corner.

[identity profile] usmangaka.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, so many comments, I couldn't be left out XD!

Sorreh, I've been reading nothing but Manga for the last two years, I'm not sure if that counts.
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[identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
If you're not looking to get lost in a seventeen-bazillion book epic series, I liked Delia's Marshall Turner's two books (http://www.dmturner.org/Writer/index.html). You can tell by the BRIGHT PINK COVERS that they're YA fantasy with maybe a leaning toward romance (true for the first, not true for the second). A fun quick read, both of them.

Draws:
-main female characters who are sort of crazy
-science/magic/religion interaction (without being a tretise or getting in the way of the plot)
-lots of crazy characters, come to think of it
-not at all cliched. I'm serious about this: the first book's main character worships magic (magic itself, not magical objects) but isn't supposed to use it, and the second book's main character may or may not be an independent personality (certainly the man who created her doesn't think so).
-quick reading

I'm really fond of these books, I like to take them out whenever I feel like reading but don't have the time to start a new book. They're catchy.

[identity profile] teleute12.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
Melanie Rawn's Exiles books (The Ruins of Ambrai and The Mageborn Traitor) are rather on the epic side (the first one is 823 pages in paperback), but there's a strong focus on just four particular characters. They've got magic, politics, family drama, romance, intrigue, angst, amnesia and mysterious pasts... they almost remind me of some anime I've seen, actually.

[identity profile] chibipoe.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. All of those things. And they're still not done, and I don't think she's ever going to finish them(more to the point, when you've forgotten what's going on in your story to the point that you set up a mailing list for your fans to TELL you every single detail so you can try and start again? You have problems.) *lost all interest in those, despite the pretty Michael Whelan covers*
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[personal profile] ewein2412 2005-09-20 09:42 am (UTC)(link)
wow, I really missed out on this conversation. But for my two cents worth can I just add that Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass (it's called Northern Lights here) really does rock, like they said. And Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea trilogy, beginning with A Wizard of Earthsea; I found this really, really, really hard to get into when I was in high school, but once I did (after reading the first chapter about 20 times and putting it down again) it became one of my all-time favorite books.

Incidentally (while I'm pimping), the sequel to The Winter Prince is only marginally Arthurian. It takes place in Ethiopia and is narrated by Goewin. It's called A Coalition of Lions.

[identity profile] magicnoire.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
You've gotten lots of good recs already, but I'll just add one more. While her DAW books are of the long, epic and million character kind, I liked Michelle Sagara (West)'s latest novel Cast of Shadows. She's one of my favorite authors true, but this latest one -- while very obviously written by her -- is a bit smaller and tighter in scope.

(It does have dragons though, but a bit different than what you normally see in a fantasy novel. I don't want to say, in case you do read it.)

[identity profile] farli.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Mmmm Fantasy.

I'm in serious need of a new fix actually. XD Mercedes Lackey, I've found, is a good enough read when I'm really bored and have nothing better to read (that, and I've always been a sucker for horses). Then again, I LOVE the cover art. *hearts it* XD Ah me, shameless at enjoy such nonsense.

If you like vampires (heaven knows if they count more towards the horror side of things, but they're fantastic enough for me), then I highly recommend The Historian by by Elizabeth Kostova, which is probably one of the more interesting takes on the myth, as well as Vlad "Dracula" the Impaler himself -- because its written as the story is researched in modern times in a historical context, tracing his life before his death. Or undeath, as the case may be.
Not QUITE worth buying, but definately worth borrowing from the library.

Tamora Pierce recently wrote more to her Tortall series. I've only recently picked up an interest in her, having picked up a copy of the first book from The Protector of the Small quartet is where I started (a mistake, I think, as reading the Alana the Lioness books wasn't quite as appealing when I managed to get ahold of them, and Daine's story was DULL AS DITCHWATER).
Trickster's Choice and Trickster's Queen have been rather enjoyable, from personal experience.

And yay Prachett~ *flag wave*

[identity profile] pratyeka.livejournal.com 2005-09-20 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, I love to hate Lackey also! I love her and I hate her...and her romance bits are mostly SO BAD. I usually end up liking her characters that die the most ._.

Young Adult - Patricia C Wrede's Dealing With Dragons series was something I loved to death when younger, depite the dragons. I actually love her dragons, for they are witty and often amusing. Tamora Pierce and her were my favorites.

There was a YA book I really enjoyed called The Secret of Dragonhome, because it had some of the most interesting powers I had ever read.

Wise Child was also a great book that I remember. Most of my recs are old ;_;

I second or third or fourth by this point] the His Dark Materials series rec.

The nightrunner series I have been loving, sort of, despite the fact that the covers look like cliche fantasy.

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