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Part 6 - Aging Characters ( FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST, YOKOHAMA KAIDASHI KIKOU)

Full title, since LJ cut it off: Part 6 - Aging Characters (Hiromu Arakawa, FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST, Ashinano Hitoshi, YOKOHAMA KAIDASHI KIKOU)


Taking a slight departure from the usual essay this time. My previous ones all concerned page layout and flow, but not the actual drawing.This is mostly because there's plenty of How to Draw Manga books and websites out there, and very few How to Lay Out Manga books and websites. The few books that deal with it only give it a few pages, and concentrate on the drawing. Drawing is important, of course, but you can have a beautifully drawn but still unreadable comic page if you screw up the layout.

That being said, this time I'm going for a classic drawing-only analysis. Well, a teeny bit of layout at some point, but mostly drawing.

On to How to Age Characters.




Let's start off by explaining the changes in the head as a man ages. I didn't find a diagram like this with the female figure in it in a quick scan of my shelves, but the same general ideas follow, except that the female head is more gracile - delicate - and in general, smoother and rounder. Adult human women do not have brow ridges, while some adult humen men do, and their jaws are usually smoother and less heavy. (One of my anthropology teachers told me that as I possessed no brow ridges and no wisdom teeth, I was on the cutting edge of evolution. I feel so superior now.) Before puberty, boys and girls are very similar; it's only at puberty that the marked differences between men and women show up. However, in general girls hit puberty earlier than boys do, so in middle school and high school, where a lot of manga are set, it would be realistic to draw the girls as slightly older-looking than the boys. There will, however, always be outliers in both sexes who look younger or older than they really are.

I also didn't find a picture that showed a non-white male with features other than standard-Caucasian. The bone structure underneath is similar around the world, and the changes described below will still happen, just to not such and extent, or to less of an extent. For example, a man with very full lips, as tends to happen in some people with African ancestry, will not have his lips grow as thin while aging as the diagram below, although they will be thinner than they were as a young man.

You will always benefit from finding photographic reference of anything and using it.

This picture is from Jack Hamm's Drawing the Head and Figure, a pretty good basic book on figure drawing and constructing the figure.



The younger you are, the softer and rounder your features. As you age, your forehead flattens and in men, sometimes brow ridges develop. The nose is small and tilted as a baby so the baby can breathe while nursing, and slowly straightens. A baby's lips are everted, or turned outwards, and thin out and turn in as the baby grows up. The chin gains in prominence, more so in men than in women. The cheek starts out full and round, and gradually slims down and the cheekbones often become visible, depending on how much fat padding the person has. The head shape in general is rounder in babies, and a bit more squared-off in adults.

You get treated to my quick-and-dirty digital sketch of the differences from the front, because I didn't find a decent one when I was looking through my books.



Eyes in babies tend to be at or a little below the midline of the face, while adult eyes are at or a little above. This is one of the simplest ways to age a character from adolescence to adulthood. The eyeball itself is also larger in proportion to the infant and child skull than it is to the adult skull. This means that the younger a person is, the bigger their irises will be and the less white of the eye you'll see. This is one of the subtle changes used to age Edward Elric in Fullmetal Alchemist:


Younger Ed:

Older Ed:




Older Ed's eyes are slightly smaller in proportion to his head, and his irises are slightly smaller. Older Ed's neck is also slightly thicker, although it's kind of hard to tell. Because Younger Ed's head is tilted forward and Older Ed's isn't, you can't really tell for sure in these pictures what other proportions have been changed in this picture.

In other pictures, such as the ones below, you see that Older Ed's eyes are drawn slightly higher on his face than Younger Ed's are.



Younger Ed:

Older Ed:




If you go back to my sketch, you'll also note that the baby's face is round and the man's jawline heavier. And remember from the earlier scanned picture about the forehead, nose, and chin? Here's Ed again:


Younger Ed:

Older Ed:




Older Ed's eyes are smaller, his forehead flatter, his nose less tilted, his lips and chin more distinct, and his jawline heavier.

As you can tell, it doesn't require a whole lot of lines to age someone, just sharper and more defined lines. Here are comparisons of the aging process in one of the characters of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, a lovely manga set in a rural postapocalyptic world, where the characters spend their time living their daily life having coffee, chatting, suffering puppy love, talking about the neighbors, and wondering about the people who lived before them. As befits the type of story it is, the artwork is simple but moving, with not a line wasted.

I have forgotten this boy's name, but I'm sure one of you will know it and tell me. In the first row of pictures, he's in early adolescence, and in the second he's old enough that he's thinking about moving away from the area where he grew up.



Younger:







Older:









The primary diffrences here are subtle. His jawline is heavier as he ages - see where it joins his ear? In the younger pictures, the jawline curves right up to the ear, but in the older ones, it has a distinct angle to it. His nose is slightly bigger in the older pictures. It looks like it's placed lower, but it isn't -- it's that his eyes are placed ever-so-slightly higher in the older pictures, although they're still big. This artist's style is to give almost everyone really big eyes, except for characters the age of grandparents, so very little has been done to change them. The other difference - maybe so subtle that you didn't notice it - is in the neck. The younger version has a smooth, slender neck. The older version has a thicker neck, with his neck tendon prominent. This is another difference between men and women - for the most part, women's necks are thinner and smoother. You often won't find much of a tendon in a woman's neck in art unless she's feeling some sort of tension.




This is it for Part 1. I'm working on Part 2, featuring Death Note and Hikaru no Go.

(Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] ninjashira for getting me the scans of older-Ed from a recent chapter of Fullmetal Alchemist!)


Index to the Series

[identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
There's also an excellent aging tutorial in 'Drawing the Human head' by Burne Hogarth, where it goes fron infant to an 80 year old man. I can try to scan those parts in if you want.

I also greatly recommend the book, as it's been an invaluable resource as far as heads go.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
That would be great -- I've got a copy of the book, but it's 150 miles away from me at my mother's house. XD Thanks!

[identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'll scan some tonight, since I've been doing some scanning for stuff anyway. XD It'll have to be toddler-40, however- there's a beefload of pictures in there, and I figure that's enough to get your point across. XD Would you like me to link them here in a comment post as I get them up, or send them to you some other way?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
No problem, thanks! Whatever's easiest for you - if you want to send them to me, my email's on my info page.

[identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
http://portfolio.iu.edu/wmattila/ages.zip

*gives love to chibi Naruicon*

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'll get them and put them up once I've finished this next essay.

I ganked Chibi Naruto from [livejournal.com profile] domlandbubbles earlier today. There's other chibi Naruto character icons over there, but this one was the cutest. XD

[identity profile] chibi-nasu.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Woot! Aging. I think I have the tendency to age my characters too much, instead of going for more subtle/gradual-type changes.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yup. Lots of people - including me; I really have to kick it - have a tendency to go for the obvious visual sign of aging, which is adding lines to the face, but that's really for age 50 and beyond, the mature face. The neck, jawline, and eye size and placement are really where the most aging occurs from late adolescence to full adulthood. :)

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Your third picture of older Ed is so hot. Unfortunately, I bet he's still underage, so I am still a perv.

This is all very interesting and will be useful for you, as BK has flashbacks coming up.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Hee. I have no idea of how old he is in the older images, since I haven't read the scanlations past the first 3 or 4 chapters, and have just read book 2 of the translations. I barely remember how old he was in the younger version.

And good - at least I'm not wasting any time by doing this instead of more combat layout or anythng like that. XD

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I suppose you could be doing the promotional flyer, or Mark or Reza's pin-ups character design sheets...

Rachel, also procrastinating, albeit on our other project.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
I promised myself a weekend off from even thinking about BK, so I have zilch guilt there. XD

Oh - my back pain came back again, so I took *one* hydrocodone this time. Which seems to be working, but yet again I hadn't eaten anything for six or so hours. :) Oh well, I'm not going to argue.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry about your back. I must have asked this before, but have you seen a physical therapist? My miracle-working PT is indeed working the promised miracles on me.

By the way, it turns out that you are going to get to do extensive drawings of Kid Nick and also Kid Rivas (in adorable little sunglasses! maybe with an adorable braid like Ed's! or a ponytail!), and possibly also (less extensive) of Kid Jordan. I have decided that more detailed flashbacks to Project Blue Rose itself will solve a lot of the plot problems. Also, I love detailed flashbacks. Also, it will be fun to see kid versions of the characters.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen one - I was about ready to ask the doctor to send me to one for my lower back when the last round of drugs seems to have reduced the inflammation enough for it to heal a bit - my lower back is much much better now - not perfect, but if I stress it, it rebounds quickly. This upper-back thing is fairly new, and may have something to do with the bag I carry, I noticed today. I've got a small version of a courier bag that I wear across my body, with the strap on my left shoulder and the bag itself on my right hip. Even if it's not /causing/ it, it may be exacerbating it, so I think I need to empty it out for a week or so and see if that helps.

I'll have to start practicing drawing kids now. XD

[identity profile] hatchet-hands.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Sssshrriiieeek!!! Those of us in Australia don't have the FMA manga yet. We're so behind!

I find my problem is that I have one shape for 'child' which is very spherical - then one shape for 'adult' which is very...erm, long and adult. Now that I look at these pictures, I have no idea what the 'interim' phase would look like. Either I have to explore this at some point...or, just have characters aged between 3-10, and 18+ with nothing in between...!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Hee - we only have the first two books of FMA. I got a friend to send me some images from scanlations of the later versions, so I have no clue how much time passes.

(I deliberately erased any text and cropped in close to avoid spoilers in these essays, too.)

You'll like the next essay, then, which I'm almost done with. The first part focuses on the differences between 25 and 50 or so, but the second and third parts focus on ages 12-16 and then 16-22. :)

[identity profile] hatchet-hands.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd say there's a big leap from 25-50, so that should be interesting. 12 to 16, too. I'll take a look.

[identity profile] yhlee.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
This is incredibly neat. Thank you!

You would think that I'd've caught on to the why of stubby tilted baby noses, but I had had no idea. Human anatomy. Fascinating stuff. :-)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Hee - it's something I read somewhere. And apparently, their larynxes are high enough that they can nurse and breathe simultaneously; it's only as we age that the larynx descends and we have to stop breathing to swallow. At least, I think that's the case - someone more knowledgeable than I will probably drop by.

[identity profile] ninjashira.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think the kid's name is Takahiro or something like that.... I think it definitely starts with "Taka". But I could be way wrong, I haven't read YKK in loooong time.

But I have always loved the art in YKK, ever since I first saw it. It's such a simple and kinda cartoony style, but the art expresses so much in so few lines. And everything is so natural and smooth... I really really love it. :)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-07-11 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, definitely. You couldn't get the profundities YKK expresses with a more realistic art style - it'd seem kinda dorky and cliche. But as is, it all flows and the simplicity of the art matches the simplicity of the story and the character's lives.