COMMENTS I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ON A PICTURE

[telophase]

RAPE!!!!!!!!lol good picture

Ya know, call me an old-fashioned fuddy-duddy, but I really don't think that "RAPE!!!!!!!" and "lol" belong in the same sentence.

Context is from the Grimmjow and Orihime pic.

Comments

[jarodrussell.livejournal.com]

Man, I remember that same lame kind of "Rape!lol" comment for the picture of Parity I commissioned from you a few years back. Now I'm curious if it's the same guy, or if that kind of comment is just a general colloquialism.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

I've had enough "Rape!" comments on various pictures to think it's getting to be a colloquialism. It's usually a teenage girl expressing appreciation of a male body, though. (And still SKEEVY AS HELL to me.)

But I think this person is commenting on what's going on in the picture, which seems seedier, somehow.

[suileach.livejournal.com]

It's usually a teenage girl expressing appreciation of a male body, though.

Wait, what? I feel old now. And disturbed.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

It's happened at my table at cons. Multiple times. *hides*

[redsnowpenguin.livejournal.com]

A ha ha *sweat* They mean well ._.

[chomiji]

I've been noticing a perhaps-related and quite disturbing tendency toward rape fic among the younger fic authors in my favorite fandom recently, including a distressingly hardy-har-har scenario involving a target plied with large quantities of alcohol ... .

[telophase.livejournal.com]

I wonder if this is a sort of genre curve back to the days of the raperiffic bodice-ripper romances? I suppose it's all down to how they're writing and reading them: as a safe space to explore fantasies of giving up control, or ... well, I can't really figure out *what* they're thinking, other than pleasure in seeing someone else's pain? Hurt/comfort gone way too far?

And I saw a couple of stories in the Bleach kink meme that had me RUN SCREAMING IN HORROR from that meme and never darkened its door again. Torture and rape? Not my idea of hot, kthx.

[chomiji]

Yeah, I wonder. Because usually the author is putting herself in the mix somewhere (hey, I know I do), and I start getting a little concerned about some of these writers and commenters. Have they had too much exposure to ugliness of this kind in real life - or not enough?

The only torturous stuff I could begin to tolerate involved Hakkai and his self-hatred, because he really is a sick puppy in all too many ways. Even then it makes me squirm.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

as a safe space to explore fantasies of giving up control,

I really this this is it. Especially when you consider how long ravishment fantasy has been around. Which is not to say that I don't find the majority of it disturbing as hell.

[cerusee.livejournal.com]

Without denying that some of the lit/fic in that realm disturbs me enormously, the general existence of rape fantasy in its many facets doesn't; there's a lot of reasons why people have or enjoy rape and non-con fantasies that doesn't seem unhealthy to me (and the sexual aspects of giving up control are more than just repressed women subconsciously giving themselves permission to enjoy sex, jesus, that's one trope I'm sick of seeing from people who don't understand the appeal of rape fantasy). Which is not to say it can't ever be unhealthy, just that it isn't necessary unhealthy by nature.

However, casual language about rape does bother me, because unlike rape fantasy, I think casual, superficial slang use of the word rape, which denotes such a specific category of traumatic, dehumanizing and often violent experiences is genuinely problematic--rape is depressingly serious social problem that shouldn't be a joke to anyone. I think that kind of usage primarily reflects thoughtlessness, though, and has little or nothing to do with the speakers' personal knowledge of sexual violation.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

You are totally, totally right about that. (casual language)

[madame-manga.livejournal.com]

Amen. I felt far healthier after admitting to myself why I liked certain scenarios that other people told me I should find unfeminist or disempowering or something on that order. Taking charge of one's own deeper fantasies, whose subject matter isn't generally controllable anyway (and if you do succeed in that for other people's reasons, watch out) is empowering to the max.

As in, I used to have an extreme real-life phobia of sexual assault, to the point that I didn't even get a driver's license well into adulthood, because that meant I'd have to go places entirely on my own. Not so no mo'. :)

[lady-ganesh.livejournal.com]

However, casual language about rape does bother me, because unlike rape fantasy, I think casual, superficial slang use of the word rape, which denotes such a specific category of traumatic, dehumanizing and often violent experiences is genuinely problematic--rape is depressingly serious social problem that shouldn't be a joke to anyone.

Nicely put.

[puddingcat.livejournal.com]

There was a walkout from the yaoi panel at AmeCon last year after a chant of "Rape!" started up (iirc, to Junjou Romantica). The panel organisers had to ask what the problem was, but at least it was discussed in detail on the forums afterwards. I got the impression that it was from the younger end of the yaoi crowd (the panel was supposed to be 18+, but something went wrong with the door policy), who hadn't had the real life rape / sexual assault statistics made real to them, as it were.

[telophase.livejournal.com]

The panel organisers had to ask what the problem was,

Oh, good lord.

[puddingcat.livejournal.com]

I think (hope) something good will have come out of it. A number of more mature yaoi fans offered to help with the panel next time it's run, and there were a lot of constructive suggestions made.

I did get the feeling that the people who'd been chanting it, though, were all "Psshhht, whatever" about the old fogeys being boring.

[octopedingenue]

Oh my GOD what the HELL, fandom and especially fandom panel? GYAH.

I actually love Junjo Romantica dearly, but I can still tell where it's often made of FAIL on issues of informed sexual consent, with IIRC only one of its multiple canon couples not formed on sexual assault and/or statutory rape. And still it's one of, like, four yaoi series I can remember in which there's even half an actual conversation about Consensual Sex = GOOD! Absent/Dubious Consent = BAD! (Still how I wish that this would never come up in discussion because there is no rape occurring!)

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, stop being on my side, young yaoi fandom, as you are making my side look stupid and inhuman enough to conflate highly unrealistic kink with traumatic reality.

incidentally, rape is NOT how you say hello in Japan

[aquatic-party.livejournal.com]

The pic does have a rather agressive feel to it, but even if that was the intention (which you're saying it's not), "rape!!!lol good picture" is just... _ugh. If you did intend the level of agression (it looks more like power play to me without necessarily being kinky, if that makes sense), a comment like that is disturbing anyway. Because it's a serious topic taken flippantly. "oh, that's a raep pic? lolololol how cute."

[octopedingenue]

It is a deeply disturbing IRC meme that has seeped its way out onto the rest of the internet, and I would like it to crawl back into Fark and die there. Maybe you could disable comments or put a warning on the picture notes?

[ninja-tech.livejournal.com]

Wow. And there's a new rape comment as well. Also with a "lol" attached. I agree; since when is rape (even fictional) funny?

[seawolf10.livejournal.com]

Ew. There are a lot of sick, sick people out there.