Complaining here because I will get into wank over there if I reply ... I know that this young artist probably didn't intend to imply that "human" only applies to those with lighter skintones. Aargh.
I remember having this set of crayons! (I'm old) I also remember my mom getting pissed off and taking every wrapper off every crayon and saying, "There, now they're just colors and you have to guess."
Too bad that Unlearn (http://www.unlearn.com)'s main shop is currently down pending a relaunch, so it's hard to find pictures of most of their products. I bought a keychain from their booth a pride with their FLESHTONE (http://www.gamillahboutique.com/products/WOMENS-FLESHTONE-HOODIE__51000WFH.aspx) design on it (as shown at that reseller's site on a hoodie).
Yeah, they have so much cool stuff, that both looks good and makes me go "...huh!" But it's hard to find most of it online!
I got two three-packs of little 1" button/pins from them, too, to go on my button bag (which already has a button that says "Wearing buttons is NOT ENOUGH"). Four of them are quotes, and two of them are images -- one of their Corporate design (guy with briefcase using people as stairs -- as seen on t-shirt at reseller linked above) and one of their Ballerina design which has an old fashioned clip-art style ballerina posing elegantly on a pink background but with a daydream thought-bubble of herself in a martial artist uniform performing a kick-ass attack.
As a genderqueer person who struggled through humiliation at ballet classes as a little girl and is now (after years of disability) an assistant teacher of Tai Chi, it rather speaks to me. Boo-yah! :)
My niece had a marker set that was entirely skin tones, actually. I thought that was pretty cool. Twelve or sixteen colors of nothing but shades of brown and peach and, you know, skin tones. :D
aw yeah I don't think they intended that. It was a pretty innocent comment, though I DID notice that 99% of the time when someone asks me about skin tones, they are meaning specifically pale skin. Then they get all weirded out when I tell them to use colors like... sage green, and purple. In my mind, darker skin tones actually take more skill then pale. Pale you can get away with just doing the shadows and leave the rest white, and it'll *still* look good. Dark? You need to *think* about highlights, shadows, etc. More of a challenge, which I think is why a lot of people don't do darker skin tones.
Or if you're trying to mix up a skin color, almost all of them have way more blue than people expect. :D
I recently showed a DA artist who was complaining that she didn't have a light enough marker for skin how to use the darker marker for shadows only and to leave the white of the paper for the skin. :D
*nodnodnod* skin is totaly about tricking the eye into THINKING it sees what it wants to see. I don't even use the 'flesh' tones available in my pencils *laughs* I usually use green, blues, and sometimes yellows (for pale skin), and dark skin goes oranges, greens, blues, purples, and sometimes a bit of that orangey brown terra cotta.
What's kind of hilarious is that people think they have to have 'skin tone' to convey skin color? Look at all the people who've painted skin using absolutely crazy colors. There's an entire series of comic book covers where they use orange and green/blue to depict two different light sources on skin. NO browns or creams or whatever have you, just glaring orange and green/blue. And it still looks like skin. (still on a tangent here, I know somewhere I'll babble about race).
I think it's all part and parcel of not having quite learned to see yet, and relying on the brain's impression of what they see to draw and color. Like the young artists who pedantically draw in* the bridge of the nose and ... er, the bits that surround the nostril, whatever they're called, especially on both sides regardless of light.
Babble away! XD
* Without intending to do it as a specific stylistic choice, or because of stark light and shadows, of course. Why do I always feel the need to qualify these things when it's fairly obvious what I mean?
ohoh yeah see my mentor had me photograph my hand (and variuos other people's hands for variety in skin color). Then close in so I was clicking pixel by pixel to see the colors. THEN I had to sit down and color the hand using those specific colors, one square at a time. Traditionally. It was such a facinating exercise and really changed my perception of skin tones.
Heh, faces are my bane. I'm still very much a beginner with faces, the planes and such. My pet peeve are the 'anime wings'. I don't know what else to call them, but you see them drawn that way ALL THE TIME because all the animes draw wings like that. Where they completely drop the elbow joint in the wing, so it's like this... straight bar out from the shoulders, and then this straight bar down the primaries. No real rhyme or reason, it looks horrific to me x.x And no one attempts to learn anything other then 'how to draw a whole lot of feathers to cover up your glaring anatomy errors' because that's how the animes do it. *rants*
and you qualify it because it's easier to qualify it now then to backtrack and explain it later.
I've got several pet peeves - anime elf ears, which stick straight out from either side of the head like handlebars is one. And the other is the simplistic style of head drawing which is lifted from Fruits Basket, which makes the 3/4 view look like the character has the jaw dislocated and the profile look like the chin is receding so far it's nonexistent. The Fruits Basket mangaka can get away with it, barely, but nobody else can. :P
It was a great one. Very time consuming, but that's the best way to ingrain skin colors into your brain to the instinctive level.
ahaha anime elf ears ; ; All i can think of is the time I was at a friends and she was playing an elf on WoW. It was the first time I'd even SEEN the game, and I just laughed hysterically at those bouncing ears. That's all I can see is ears bouncing floppily when people draw them like that, can't take it seriously at all.
Hm, I've seen fruits basket but haven't read the manga. I just notice a LOT of manga have problems that work *just fine* for them, because of the style they work in and the fact that usually they're working screen tone/cell shading so they have to do certain things (like doing linework for parts of the body that you normaly define with shading). But since a lot of newbie artists are just learning by copying, they don't understand the *why* that the rules were broken for this particular piece. They just know they like how it looks, and then get confused when they can't pull it off... wooo and here I go into snarky 'educate yourself' mode. SO SORRY.
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I also remember my mom getting pissed off and taking every wrapper off every crayon and saying, "There, now they're just colors and you have to guess."
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Too bad that Unlearn (http://www.unlearn.com)'s main shop is currently down pending a relaunch, so it's hard to find pictures of most of their products. I bought a keychain from their booth a pride with their FLESHTONE (http://www.gamillahboutique.com/products/WOMENS-FLESHTONE-HOODIE__51000WFH.aspx) design on it (as shown at that reseller's site on a hoodie).
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Thanks. I'd never heard of it.
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I got two three-packs of little 1" button/pins from them, too, to go on my button bag (which already has a button that says "Wearing buttons is NOT ENOUGH"). Four of them are quotes, and two of them are images -- one of their Corporate design (guy with briefcase using people as stairs -- as seen on t-shirt at reseller linked above) and one of their Ballerina design which has an old fashioned clip-art style ballerina posing elegantly on a pink background but with a daydream thought-bubble of herself in a martial artist uniform performing a kick-ass attack.
As a genderqueer person who struggled through humiliation at ballet classes as a little girl and is now (after years of disability) an assistant teacher of Tai Chi, it rather speaks to me. Boo-yah! :)
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It was slightly disturbing, but made sense.
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... sorry, tangent.
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I recently showed a DA artist who was complaining that she didn't have a light enough marker for skin how to use the darker marker for shadows only and to leave the white of the paper for the skin. :D
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What's kind of hilarious is that people think they have to have 'skin tone' to convey skin color? Look at all the people who've painted skin using absolutely crazy colors. There's an entire series of comic book covers where they use orange and green/blue to depict two different light sources on skin. NO browns or creams or whatever have you, just glaring orange and green/blue. And it still looks like skin. (still on a tangent here, I know somewhere I'll babble about race).
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Babble away! XD
* Without intending to do it as a specific stylistic choice, or because of stark light and shadows, of course. Why do I always feel the need to qualify these things when it's fairly obvious what I mean?
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Heh, faces are my bane. I'm still very much a beginner with faces, the planes and such. My pet peeve are the 'anime wings'. I don't know what else to call them, but you see them drawn that way ALL THE TIME because all the animes draw wings like that. Where they completely drop the elbow joint in the wing, so it's like this... straight bar out from the shoulders, and then this straight bar down the primaries. No real rhyme or reason, it looks horrific to me x.x And no one attempts to learn anything other then 'how to draw a whole lot of feathers to cover up your glaring anatomy errors' because that's how the animes do it. *rants*
and you qualify it because it's easier to qualify it now then to backtrack and explain it later.
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I've got several pet peeves - anime elf ears, which stick straight out from either side of the head like handlebars is one. And the other is the simplistic style of head drawing which is lifted from Fruits Basket, which makes the 3/4 view look like the character has the jaw dislocated and the profile look like the chin is receding so far it's nonexistent. The Fruits Basket mangaka can get away with it, barely, but nobody else can. :P
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ahaha anime elf ears ; ; All i can think of is the time I was at a friends and she was playing an elf on WoW. It was the first time I'd even SEEN the game, and I just laughed hysterically at those bouncing ears. That's all I can see is ears bouncing floppily when people draw them like that, can't take it seriously at all.
Hm, I've seen fruits basket but haven't read the manga. I just notice a LOT of manga have problems that work *just fine* for them, because of the style they work in and the fact that usually they're working screen tone/cell shading so they have to do certain things (like doing linework for parts of the body that you normaly define with shading). But since a lot of newbie artists are just learning by copying, they don't understand the *why* that the rules were broken for this particular piece. They just know they like how it looks, and then get confused when they can't pull it off... wooo and here I go into snarky 'educate yourself' mode. SO SORRY.