telophase: (Near - que?)
telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2008-01-13 06:13 pm

Work OK?

I'm not entirely sure why I'm asking this here because I deeply suspect that by the time anyone answer, I'll have started the painting anyway. :)





Just a vague "Does this work?" question - I can't pinpoint anything in particular that's wrong. (And this is a basic color guide - it'll be more realistic, hopefully. XD) He should ahve more realistic proportions instead of the superskinnyelongated CLAMP proportions.

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
It is of a hotness.

(I kinda want to see what it'd look like if he were looking the other way, but then I'd probably wind up saying "Enh, I liked it the first way better.")

Re: :D

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
haha, now if I can cut and paste them together...I don't know, anyway, I think it's tasty. How's that for detailed feedback?

Re: :D

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Better than "It sucks." XD

Re: :D

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, true. Anyway, I have a fever and I'm lucky to be as coherent as I am.

Dramatic poses like that are one of my hot buttons. I just love 'em, especially when it's not a very frequently seen dramatic pose. Anyway.
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[personal profile] solarbird 2008-01-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I saw the subject and thought you were asking whether it was worksafe. Muah!

Something's bugging me about his left arm. And/or the coat's left sleeve... ah, okay. The way the coat sleeve's hang interacts with the black arm shadow makes his elbow look like it's in one place coming from the shoulder, and another coming from his hand. That distracted me. Maybe you could have the robe swing up a little bit so you don't get that illusion.

I like the expression and the coat together, tho'. It invokes the same sorts of things Cruella de Ville's character design did, without being derivative. Thickening out the proportions will do away with some of that, which may be kind of too bad.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
I;m a bit confused abut what you mean in the second paragraph...


ETA: And it doens't halp that the character design has the Goawdawful shoulder pads (http://www.magatsu.net/pic/03.jpg) in the outer coat. XD
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[personal profile] solarbird 2008-01-14 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
If I look at where (I think - stupid shoulder pads!) his left shoulder is and follow his arm from there to the location I think his left elbow should be, that's one spot in the drawing; but if I look at his left hand and follow it (influenced by the black arm shadow) down his arm to where I think his left elbow should be, that takes my eye to a different location. I end up at two different places depending upon whether I start at the shoulder or start at the hand. It's the way the sleeve hangs that does it; it's misleading my eye.

(Note that I'm talking about his left, not the viewer's left.)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
The "shadow" is his actual arm - he's got black elbow-length gloves on as part of the (gah!) third layer of clothing, under the double-breasted coat there. Does that make it better?
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[personal profile] solarbird 2008-01-14 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, not really - I was assuming it was pretty much the third layer. But I was thinking some of the angle was shadow extension.

If it's just me, don't worry about it. But when I look at it it really does seem that his forearm is just kind of floating out there. When I really think about it, I can the anatomy is right - it's just an illusion created by the loop of the gigantic cuff and the lowest sag of the sleeve. But I have to think about it.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Hm. No, it's all arm. I'll have to stare at it some more. (The problem mostly being caused because I took a ref photo of myself in my big fluffy robe, which is not as big and fluffy as his fur sleeve is, so I have to extrapolate what it would do.)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Better? (http://telophase.livejournal.com/1096188.html)
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[personal profile] solarbird 2008-01-14 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. Even overanalysising it now (as I of course am), that's definitely better.

[identity profile] paulafromtwoson.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
God, it's beautiful.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! :D

[identity profile] ruffwriter.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Gorgeous! ♥ (He looks much healthier like that, too!)

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
What? 6'5" tall and 75 pounds is perfectly healthy! if you live in CLAMPland!

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
I love the femmy hand!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
XD It seems to fit Fai.
ext_99067: (Riya)

[identity profile] lady-noremon.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Something with his lips/chin that just doesn't seem like Fai to me though I can't really put it in words. I think it may be that it looks too manly (^^;) or need to go in a bit, or the lips go down a smidge'...I don't know where I'm going...

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Better? (http://telophase.livejournal.com/1096188.html)
ext_99067: (Ritsuka)

[identity profile] lady-noremon.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
I tried tinkered (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7025/faisketchbrm4.jpg) in OC to try to make it more feminine so I'll let you see, but yes your edit helps it :3

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
It's a reeeeally fine line between "feminine" and "receding chin," though. :D
ext_99067: (hoary fox)

[identity profile] lady-noremon.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
:P that is why I paint flowers :3

[identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
I love the angle and the attitude, but the right (his right) arm isn't quite working for me either. I can see there's some distortion from the shoulder pad but...it's just not quite right. If you raised it a little more perhaps?

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Better? (http://telophase.livejournal.com/1096188.html)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
are those bones i see? does fai actually have BONES???

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
IT'S ALL A CLEVER ILLUSION!!!

[identity profile] dhelix-studio.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
I love the sketch itself. It's not the anatomy that bothers me at all. The face is fine, and if you get technical there aren't any glaring errors. The color scheme is very beautiful too. People keep talking about the illusions of shadow and foreshortening... I won't get into that because with style it's a very debateable thing (especially when it comes to versions of noodle-CLAMP artwork - exTREME foreshadowing makes it dynamic but...you know how it is). BUT. If there's one thing I might say that is a different take on it, it's the posture. Something in it is a bit unnatural, I think. I can look at the picture two ways.

One, he might be taking the coat off. When I shrug a coat off, my far (free) hand feels natural with my palm closer to the anatomical position (this is the only way I can think of to say this) instead of rolled over as if to be pointing off into the distance. The slight flex in the index finger feels like it would be...straining the whole forearm. Also, IF the coat is coming off, the arm would be in a lower position and slightly posterior/behind instead of raised.

Two, he might be putting the coat on. (This is I think what you were going for.) When I put a coat on, when I'm pulling one the "last" sleeve, my outstretched arm is straighter and my fingers are spread as if my arm has just come through and is "reaching." The wrist won't be "limp" at this point. In the next sequence, I begin to bring my arm around, and my elbow and forearm are more foreshortened and the hand itself is further forward/anterior.

Another little thing I see in the picture that strikes me as odd is how Fai is pulling on his left collar. Shouldn't he be pulling on his right collar, if his right arm is outstretched? The right collar looks awkward as if it's just hanging there, sliding off his shoulder (which would be fine if it was counterbalanced by a low, bent arm).

That's a little hard for me to convey in words, but I tried my best. You seem to be a quite a student of the arts, so I thought I'd try my best with an honest critique. Even if I'm incorrect somewhere in there, posture is something to think about at least. :)

[identity profile] dhelix-studio.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ergh. Make that "the slight overextension of the index finger" in that second paragraph, not flex. I'm so stupid at night! >_

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
(A quick comment to let you know I'm not ignoring your comment; it just requires thinking and I'm not currently capable of that XD)