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telophase ([personal profile] telophase) wrote2007-11-01 10:14 pm
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Guess the number! SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT!

So the other day I was listening to a podcast that talked about "the wisdom of crowds." This is the title of a book that talks about collective decision making and how, in some particular circumstances (most often is situations where there is a precise, quantifiable answer to be had), a correct, or at least the closest to correct, answer can be got from averaging together all the answers. You can read about it and the bull-weight-guessing experiment in 1906 that produced this phenomenon at Wikipedia or here.

At my work's Hallowwen party, we had a guess-the-number game similar to the bull's weight guessing game mentioned in the above links. Over in the section of the room that was dedicated to dead druggie celebrities, there was a small display that featured the powdered innards of Pixy Stix cut into lines with paper razor blades, and a glass jar full of candy that looked like pills,* and the game was to guess the number of pills in the jar. I asked if I could have the guesses afterwards, to test out this theory, and they gave them to me. Sure enough, it turned out that the average of all the guesses was fairly close to the actual number in the jar. And throwing out the two outliers - someone guessed 1000 and someone guessed 83 - the average was closer to the actual number than the closest individual guess.

* Er, the Social Committee is nicely twisted. :D

Now, we only had 13 guesses and I suspect that it would have gotten much closer to the real number if we'd had more, but it was still quite interesting. And I want to try it again, with more guesses. So I'm doing something similar here. Of course, I have no idea if a picture of the container will be the same as looking at it, but them's the breaks. :)

There's no prize, sorry to say. You'll have to do this entirely for the good of science.

So ... Guess the number of popcorn kernels in the Sanzo shot glass!



Here's the shot glass, full of kernels:



You can find pictures from multiple angles, without Sanzo obscuring the kernels, at this link. It is a standard-sized shot glass, which originally came as part of a set of four of the Sanzo-ikkou, with stinky votive candles in them, but I removed the candles and turned them into what they obviously were meant to be: shot glasses. I also have two pictures of it next to my cat, for scale.

It's full of standard popcorn kernels, all whole kernels because I counted them individually as they were going in and threw away the broken ones.

When I remember that this poll exists, I'll add it all together and average it, to see how close the Wisdom of the Crowd makes it. I'll also announce whoever got closest to the actual number, just for a wee bit of word-fame. :D

[Poll #1081435]

[identity profile] riofriotex.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
you know someone out there is gonna get a shot glass and fill it with kernels. Not me - I'm tempted, but I'm not a big fan of popcorn.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but with luck I'll get enough guesses to bury things like that in data. :)
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Re: Guess the number! SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT!

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
me, i'm not a big fan of shot glasses, or...
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[identity profile] lady-noremon.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
I think Sanzo is cranky because he is full of popcorn >.>

[identity profile] vom-marlowe.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh dear. I just looked at the other guesses and now I wonder if my math was horribly, horribly wrong. Sorry if so!

Also: Dude! I am going to do a clean install of XP this weekend in the hopes it declogs my computer so I can run PainterX without jaggedy awfulness. Hold me in your thoughts!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
While I haven't added up the numbers yet, I'll say (nobody else read this bit until you've guessed!) that almost everyone is waaaay under the actual total and your guess has at least pulled the average up closer to the true number. XD.
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[personal profile] chomiji 2007-11-02 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)


I imagine that this is because everyone else - myself included - has forgotten their formulae for calculating volumes ... I also probably underestimated the number of kernels hidden in the curvature.


[identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com 2007-11-03 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Now I have to check the guesses and see how I added up.

[identity profile] the-z.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I meant to type a different number, but the baby helped me. So, maybe she's more keen than her mommy. We'll see.

As a note to the fanart thing, it's clear that fanart often gets more hits and comments than original art. I don't know why people automatically assume that's why artists make the stuff. Sure, more people can identify with the fanart-- including the artist! Whoa, who would'a thunkit?

Though I have to admit that I wouldn't mind if more people paid attention to my original stuff XD But I'm just as guilty for not showing as much interest in others' as I should.

When we're all famous, we'll look back on this and laugh and laugh and laugh.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-11-02 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, shortly before making the poll, I'd come from Yet Another Thread on DA about how people post things only to get pageviews and I'd indulged in a reasonably diplomatic reply about how it didn't matter what the intentions of the artist were.

And I freely admit that the pieces I did precisely to get pageviews weren't very popular. XD I think people can somehow tell.
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[personal profile] chomiji 2007-11-02 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)


Harks back to my theory about the enthusiasm of the creator relative to the quality of the final results ... this is why I'm hesitant about writing with prompts, unless I can get a variety of them from which to choose. If I don't like it, it won't work!


[identity profile] derjmeister.livejournal.com 2007-11-03 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
It never works when I try to pander to the fans. :( You're right, I think they can somehow tell. I guess I'll just go back to drawing HakkaiXSanzo fanart and leave other fandoms and pairings for fans and pears.

[identity profile] derjmeister.livejournal.com 2007-11-03 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
I used some math to try and come up with an answer. I think that my calculations were probably sort of off, looking at the other guesses. I knew math was useless!

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2007-11-03 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The obscured text I wrote to [livejournal.com profile] vom_marlowe applies to you, too. XD

im prety smrt

[identity profile] derjmeister.livejournal.com 2007-11-03 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
At least my complete inability to understand when math works and when it doesn't has not been all for naught! It was fate that made me almost fail math just so that your experiment would work, apparently.

[identity profile] droiche.livejournal.com 2007-11-18 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
Beats the heck out of me. I don't do anything for the sake of being popular. I just create what I want to see. =P

You folks can have the popcorn, I want the shot glass...and Genjyo. X-D